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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8404995" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You made him infinitely aware and in infinite planes, by claiming he was the CEO too concerned with the "big picture" to worry about a little thing like an entire prime material plane. I've just been following your lead on that. Now you don't like that though, so now you are trying to shift it to me. And what can the Gods do to him? They have no ability to just enter Nessus and kill him, if they could, they would have done it already. Well, except for the Blood War, right? And one of the conceits of the Blood War is if it ends, then whoever won is free to conquer all of reality.You claimed Asmodeus was a "CEO" and operating in near infinite plans. Helldritch said that operating in a single location requires PP. If you are both correct, then Asmodeus is operating in near infinite planes, which would require near infinite PP.In the Realms, supposedly. So, is he more powerful in the Realms than anywhere else?And where do you have proof of this?Pemerton has quoted multiple times for 1e and 2e. The D&DG set has been quoted that Archdevils and Demon Lords should be considered lesser gods, just like St. Cuthbert, whose followers were not limited to 1st and 2nd level spells. Additionally, I quoted the Fiendish Codex's which talked about the domains of Baator and the Abyss being given to clerics of Devils and Demons respectively. So, no, by "every edition before 4e" I meant 1st, 2nd and 3rd editions, as proven by quotes and text provided.And what does how you derive power have to do with the power you have?As amusing as that is, it doesn't match with his stated goals, intentions, or methods.So, is a god only a god on the plane where they are worshipped? Is their power only equal to the lowest number of worshippers they have in any plane?I'm sure you can see the problems with this. If Asmodeus is only as powerful as his weakest area of worship in the multiverse, then the other gods are even weaker, because they have areas where they have zero worshippers. We could assume then that the divine realms of the gods are set-up only to be calibrated by the prime's they are the most powerful in... and then we could assume the same thing for Asmodeus, who quite possibly has a world he rules absolutely, making him a greater god. So, if a god goes to Nessus, how does it work? They have left their place of power, and they are fighting in a location where they are powerless? If they kill Asmodeus, does Asmodeus die everywhere? If that is the case, why can't he draw power from everywhere, if he is singular? Your arguments only make sense if you look only at the Prime's, but we are talking about outside of the Primes, and that is the issue at hand.So, your argument is that his power is too diffuse, but it is personal power, so isn't it all vested in him? I mean, sure, a guy who has a savings single account making 1 million dollars annually is very rich, but he isn't richer than the guy with a million seperate savings accounts that make 10 dollars annually. So, how come Asmodeus can't use the personal power being focused on him, but Bane can?Personally, as the embodiment of Lawful Evil and the ruler of the Infinite Plane of Lawful Evil... shouldn't he be Tyranny? I mean, I don't think that anyone disputes that Primus is a being of ultimate law, and Lawful Evil is Tyranny.</blockquote>

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