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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8405475" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Has anyone actually <em>said </em>that evil gods are definitely the <strong>only </strong>source for evil clerics? It's clear that's not RAW in D&D, if only because of EGW--but I think that's a perfectly good distinction for DMs to make. I know I've mentioned it, but that's my houseruling on the subject. Are you assuming that people's personal houserules have to be RAW?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because as I said, I don't think most people really care. Maybe Maxperson has been insisting on taking in total number of worshipers per multiverse, I dunno. Maybe that's how his games go. But even taking <em>dream of the blue veil </em>into consideration, I don't think that D&D is assuming that we the DMs are actually going to sit down and count the worshipers across the multiverse to determine deity power levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You have a tendency to go "Ah-ha! You said this thing, and now you're saying this other thing! It can't be both!" Which is both annoying and counterproductive, especially in cases like this. You haven't done that with me (this thread), but I've seen you do it to others here, so if you want a worthwhile discussion, you might want to tone that down.</p><p></p><p>Not every statement is supposed to be so absolute that it excludes anything contradictory.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So I went through Mordenkainan's again and have come to the following conclusions: </p><p></p><p>1) Demons and devils (and therefore demon lords and archdevils) are focused on the Blood War. They recruit mortal worshipers primarily to gain an advantage in the war:</p><p></p><p></p><p>2) But evil gods care about the Material Plane and their worshipers, and only care about the Blood War when it directly affects those two.</p><p></p><p><em>That's </em>the difference between arch-things and gods, and that's the difference in their roles. </p><p></p><p>So, as long as you use the Blood War in your game, even as just the idea that it exists, somewhere in the multiverse, you can easily have both arch-things and evil gods with no overlap.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8405475, member: 6915329"] Has anyone actually [I]said [/I]that evil gods are definitely the [B]only [/B]source for evil clerics? It's clear that's not RAW in D&D, if only because of EGW--but I think that's a perfectly good distinction for DMs to make. I know I've mentioned it, but that's my houseruling on the subject. Are you assuming that people's personal houserules have to be RAW? Because as I said, I don't think most people really care. Maybe Maxperson has been insisting on taking in total number of worshipers per multiverse, I dunno. Maybe that's how his games go. But even taking [I]dream of the blue veil [/I]into consideration, I don't think that D&D is assuming that we the DMs are actually going to sit down and count the worshipers across the multiverse to determine deity power levels. You have a tendency to go "Ah-ha! You said this thing, and now you're saying this other thing! It can't be both!" Which is both annoying and counterproductive, especially in cases like this. You haven't done that with me (this thread), but I've seen you do it to others here, so if you want a worthwhile discussion, you might want to tone that down. Not every statement is supposed to be so absolute that it excludes anything contradictory. So I went through Mordenkainan's again and have come to the following conclusions: 1) Demons and devils (and therefore demon lords and archdevils) are focused on the Blood War. They recruit mortal worshipers primarily to gain an advantage in the war: 2) But evil gods care about the Material Plane and their worshipers, and only care about the Blood War when it directly affects those two. [I]That's [/I]the difference between arch-things and gods, and that's the difference in their roles. So, as long as you use the Blood War in your game, even as just the idea that it exists, somewhere in the multiverse, you can easily have both arch-things and evil gods with no overlap. [/QUOTE]
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