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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8406601" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Nope. 4ed Demonomicon of Iggwilvs (which is supposed to apply to all setting save where stated otherwise)</p><p>P.8</p><p>"However, not all demons wanted to see the shard lay waste to the astral realms. The primordials Demogorgon, Orcus, and Baphomet, already in the throes ofdemonic transformation, feared rightly that Obox-ob's actions would grant him control over all the cosmos. They attacked the Prince of Demons before he could reach the Astral Sea, flinging Oboxob and the shard down again into the vortex beneath which the Abyss had formed. Where Obox-ob struck, the Abyss was sundered, forming a deep fissure into which the sea drained away in a boiling storm."</p><p></p><p>So Orcus was a primordial at some point.. When he died, he became Tenebrous as of 4ed and got reinstated as Orcus...</p><p>In 1ed he was just a demon prince and it was just assumed that demons would just spring into existence in the abyss. At some point, there were only 6 Demon type VI in exsitence (Balor etc...) MM1 1ed, p19.</p><p></p><p>So going through all editions, we will see inconsistencies, modifications to suite the tastes of the writers at the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That you disagree or not is of no consequences. All optional rules are homebrew. Whether or not a DM applies them is a table's choice. Thus it is homebrewing as no two DM will have the exact same optional rules from every books printed so far. I do not use TCoE yet, I did translate and put the variant artificer that was added in there for my campaign. So the combination of official options IS homebrewing. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, that you disagree has no bearing of wether it is or not. Again in some setting Orcus does not even exist! In the above quote from the Demonomicon of Iggwilv in the 4ed. Orcus was formerly a primordial that was corrupted into demonic form... we are far from a mortal as mortals did not existed yet... So you were right for Orcus in the Realms. But wrong on so many other realm. That is why I usually go for Core or General books that are supposed to be applied to all settings (unless said setting say otherwise)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong again. 1ed Orcus has been killed by countless groups and even individuals. Even gods were killed. Raistlin, comes to mind. He had succeeded. And what about Cyric? He killed a god too and he was a mortal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. But what purpose are left for the clerics if everyone can heal? This is where I am starting to wonder the "relevance" of the cleric class. If evil gods can be so easily discarded, why not discard all gods...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8406601, member: 6855114"] Nope. 4ed Demonomicon of Iggwilvs (which is supposed to apply to all setting save where stated otherwise) P.8 "However, not all demons wanted to see the shard lay waste to the astral realms. The primordials Demogorgon, Orcus, and Baphomet, already in the throes ofdemonic transformation, feared rightly that Obox-ob's actions would grant him control over all the cosmos. They attacked the Prince of Demons before he could reach the Astral Sea, flinging Oboxob and the shard down again into the vortex beneath which the Abyss had formed. Where Obox-ob struck, the Abyss was sundered, forming a deep fissure into which the sea drained away in a boiling storm." So Orcus was a primordial at some point.. When he died, he became Tenebrous as of 4ed and got reinstated as Orcus... In 1ed he was just a demon prince and it was just assumed that demons would just spring into existence in the abyss. At some point, there were only 6 Demon type VI in exsitence (Balor etc...) MM1 1ed, p19. So going through all editions, we will see inconsistencies, modifications to suite the tastes of the writers at the time. That you disagree or not is of no consequences. All optional rules are homebrew. Whether or not a DM applies them is a table's choice. Thus it is homebrewing as no two DM will have the exact same optional rules from every books printed so far. I do not use TCoE yet, I did translate and put the variant artificer that was added in there for my campaign. So the combination of official options IS homebrewing. Again, that you disagree has no bearing of wether it is or not. Again in some setting Orcus does not even exist! In the above quote from the Demonomicon of Iggwilv in the 4ed. Orcus was formerly a primordial that was corrupted into demonic form... we are far from a mortal as mortals did not existed yet... So you were right for Orcus in the Realms. But wrong on so many other realm. That is why I usually go for Core or General books that are supposed to be applied to all settings (unless said setting say otherwise) Wrong again. 1ed Orcus has been killed by countless groups and even individuals. Even gods were killed. Raistlin, comes to mind. He had succeeded. And what about Cyric? He killed a god too and he was a mortal. Agreed. But what purpose are left for the clerics if everyone can heal? This is where I am starting to wonder the "relevance" of the cleric class. If evil gods can be so easily discarded, why not discard all gods... [/QUOTE]
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