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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8406702" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>You did. And remember the word "should" does not mean must. A conditional is implied. Again, this is up to the individual DM to decide. </p><p>So before calling me ignorant, ask first. An option is exactly that, an option. </p><p>I never ever said that exceptions could not be made. In fact, I did say that I was all for it but that it bugged me to no end that a supposedly lesser god could grant 7th level spells where only a Greater god could do it.</p><p></p><p>Also, I did say that clerics could get spells of up to 2nd level by sheer knowledge and faith. What was reprinted in the L&L was exactly this. And this is in the DMG P.38. So yep, clerics of non deity could, even then, get 1st and 2nd level spells but nothing more. That the L&L gave the option of giving deity level to some archdevils and demon prince is irrelevant. </p><p></p><p></p><p>My attitude has nothing new nor is it hard to follow. I use the three core books. That is PHB, DMG and MM (not even MM2 or FF) as the basis as no other books are mendatory to play the game. This is not the first time that someone brought example of a "setting" doing things differently than the core book. To which I can bring other material that do something entirely different, identical or any mix in between.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and no. There were exceptions all the time. Which is unfortunate. Again, we have to take into account that a setting is pretty much homebrew and even if printed as an official book, it can be contradicted by an other setting. And it is even said that NPC are not supposed to follow the same rules as the players... I always wonder if it was to keep a polish of respectability to avoid accusations of "demonic worship" (which failed miserably) with the general population. </p><p></p><p>As for T1-4, clerics in there worship the 4 elements, Iuz, Lolth and though none are "officially" clerics of Zuggtmoy, all the clerics of the elements are following her teaching. It could be argued that they get their spell from Iuz himself as a boon for his plans for the temple. (In later products and editions, we learn that they get their spells from Tharizdun). So yes, a god can answer prayers adressed to an other entity. For reasons only a god can fathom...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8406702, member: 6855114"] You did. And remember the word "should" does not mean must. A conditional is implied. Again, this is up to the individual DM to decide. So before calling me ignorant, ask first. An option is exactly that, an option. I never ever said that exceptions could not be made. In fact, I did say that I was all for it but that it bugged me to no end that a supposedly lesser god could grant 7th level spells where only a Greater god could do it. Also, I did say that clerics could get spells of up to 2nd level by sheer knowledge and faith. What was reprinted in the L&L was exactly this. And this is in the DMG P.38. So yep, clerics of non deity could, even then, get 1st and 2nd level spells but nothing more. That the L&L gave the option of giving deity level to some archdevils and demon prince is irrelevant. My attitude has nothing new nor is it hard to follow. I use the three core books. That is PHB, DMG and MM (not even MM2 or FF) as the basis as no other books are mendatory to play the game. This is not the first time that someone brought example of a "setting" doing things differently than the core book. To which I can bring other material that do something entirely different, identical or any mix in between. Yes, and no. There were exceptions all the time. Which is unfortunate. Again, we have to take into account that a setting is pretty much homebrew and even if printed as an official book, it can be contradicted by an other setting. And it is even said that NPC are not supposed to follow the same rules as the players... I always wonder if it was to keep a polish of respectability to avoid accusations of "demonic worship" (which failed miserably) with the general population. As for T1-4, clerics in there worship the 4 elements, Iuz, Lolth and though none are "officially" clerics of Zuggtmoy, all the clerics of the elements are following her teaching. It could be argued that they get their spell from Iuz himself as a boon for his plans for the temple. (In later products and editions, we learn that they get their spells from Tharizdun). So yes, a god can answer prayers adressed to an other entity. For reasons only a god can fathom... [/QUOTE]
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