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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8407700" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>So wait. The Core is setting agnostic, but the default is the Realms, because you can't play the core without a setting... and all settings are homebrew, except the core, which defaults to a homebrew setting...</p><p></p><p>And this is supposed to make sense?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And so the core is full of homebrew, according to the argument I'm saying is "extreme", which is that every setting is homebrew.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry, isn't one of the big things the gods do is fight each other over getting more portfolios? Why would there be easily accessed new portfolios? Wouldn't those have been snapped up?</p><p></p><p>And, what was Vecna's Portfolio? "Evil and Destructive Secrets" which... is part of the knowledge portfolio, right? Maybe magic as well? He does get Domains of Magic and Knowledge, so these would have logically been part of the Portfolio's of Boccob (Magic, Arcane Knowledge, Balance, Foresight ), Wee Jas (Death, Magic, Vanity (Love), Law) and others.</p><p></p><p>What about St. Cuthbert? What minor portfolio's did he get? Common Sense, Wisdom, Zeal, Honesty, Truth, Discipline. Huh, don't those last three sound like things Heironous (Chivalry, Justice, Honor, War, Daring, Valor ) would cover? Or Rao (Peace, Reason, Serenity )?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, sorry, I don't really buy that Apotheosis is occuring because people are just picking up minor unused portfolio's lying around the cosmos. Unless you have some proof of that claim?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And elves and orcs came from spilled blood. We still say they were created by Corellon and Gruumsh respectively.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which then bred true and remained a race of monsters. He doesn't make a new one when old ones die, they breed and lay eggs. That is literally a definition of a "created race".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And then bred true and became their own race.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And just like gnolls I point you to elves and orcs coming from blood spilled in a battle. Yet we still say they were created. Heck, you literally say "doesn't<strong> create them</strong> deliberately" but then turn around and say he doesn't create them at all. No one claimed that creation had to be intentional to be creation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I literally pointed out why this has nothing to do with them being a creation of Orcus, even referencing the fact that you were going to try this exact tactic. Could you bother to read my posts at least?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What the heck is "true creation"? Only Creation Ex Nihlo counts as creating something? That is not what creation even means, that's why it has the descriptor "ex nihlo" attached, to seperate it from other forms of creation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, exactly like I predicted, you not only dismissed them out of hand, but you also completely ignored my explanation that races were simply one example, not an exclusive category. But, good to know that two of the most famous gods for creating races (corellon and Gruumsh) also didn't create their races, they didn't do it intentionally after all.</p><p></p><p>That leaves Moradin at least... oh, wait, no. Moradin "breathed life" into the dwarves, meaning that he transformed non-living material into living dwarves. That's not "true creation" so that doesn't count.</p><p></p><p>But at least Garl Glittergold... oh, wait, did the exact same thing. No creation there, just transformation.</p><p></p><p>Drow? Transformed. Dragons? Made by spilled blood, not creation. Goblinoids? No idea, their gods are only known for being killed. Lizardfolk? Actually their god divided, that isn't creation.</p><p></p><p>Huh, using your definitions it seems like no one ever created anything. So, maybe you should re-evaluate some of that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8407700, member: 6801228"] So wait. The Core is setting agnostic, but the default is the Realms, because you can't play the core without a setting... and all settings are homebrew, except the core, which defaults to a homebrew setting... And this is supposed to make sense? And so the core is full of homebrew, according to the argument I'm saying is "extreme", which is that every setting is homebrew. I'm sorry, isn't one of the big things the gods do is fight each other over getting more portfolios? Why would there be easily accessed new portfolios? Wouldn't those have been snapped up? And, what was Vecna's Portfolio? "Evil and Destructive Secrets" which... is part of the knowledge portfolio, right? Maybe magic as well? He does get Domains of Magic and Knowledge, so these would have logically been part of the Portfolio's of Boccob (Magic, Arcane Knowledge, Balance, Foresight ), Wee Jas (Death, Magic, Vanity (Love), Law) and others. What about St. Cuthbert? What minor portfolio's did he get? Common Sense, Wisdom, Zeal, Honesty, Truth, Discipline. Huh, don't those last three sound like things Heironous (Chivalry, Justice, Honor, War, Daring, Valor ) would cover? Or Rao (Peace, Reason, Serenity )? So, sorry, I don't really buy that Apotheosis is occuring because people are just picking up minor unused portfolio's lying around the cosmos. Unless you have some proof of that claim? And elves and orcs came from spilled blood. We still say they were created by Corellon and Gruumsh respectively. Which then bred true and remained a race of monsters. He doesn't make a new one when old ones die, they breed and lay eggs. That is literally a definition of a "created race". And then bred true and became their own race. And just like gnolls I point you to elves and orcs coming from blood spilled in a battle. Yet we still say they were created. Heck, you literally say "doesn't[B] create them[/B] deliberately" but then turn around and say he doesn't create them at all. No one claimed that creation had to be intentional to be creation. And I literally pointed out why this has nothing to do with them being a creation of Orcus, even referencing the fact that you were going to try this exact tactic. Could you bother to read my posts at least? What the heck is "true creation"? Only Creation Ex Nihlo counts as creating something? That is not what creation even means, that's why it has the descriptor "ex nihlo" attached, to seperate it from other forms of creation. So, exactly like I predicted, you not only dismissed them out of hand, but you also completely ignored my explanation that races were simply one example, not an exclusive category. But, good to know that two of the most famous gods for creating races (corellon and Gruumsh) also didn't create their races, they didn't do it intentionally after all. That leaves Moradin at least... oh, wait, no. Moradin "breathed life" into the dwarves, meaning that he transformed non-living material into living dwarves. That's not "true creation" so that doesn't count. But at least Garl Glittergold... oh, wait, did the exact same thing. No creation there, just transformation. Drow? Transformed. Dragons? Made by spilled blood, not creation. Goblinoids? No idea, their gods are only known for being killed. Lizardfolk? Actually their god divided, that isn't creation. Huh, using your definitions it seems like no one ever created anything. So, maybe you should re-evaluate some of that. [/QUOTE]
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