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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8407976" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And? Just because it can be discussed by everyone doesn't mean it isn't a setting detail. Heck, everyone can discuss Draconians from the 5e PHB too, does that make them setting agnostic? </p><p></p><p>And, Sigil was specfically mentioned and described in the PHB section you were talking about, but it is also very specifically the key set-piece for Planescape, a DnD setting. It didn't exist before then.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just pointing out that the only place they were used officially was in the realms. But, additionally, co-opting a real world religion doesn't make it "core dnd"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not assuming you have anything. I'm telling you that your assertion that "all settings are homebrew and thus we should only talk about the core" falls apart when you realize that pretty much everything in the core is settings. In fact, the things that are supposedly universal are either real world things you take (which would be equivalent to saying that London is Core DnD because you can use it) and things they were fairly similiar between Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms. </p><p></p><p>I mean the only core Deities you can point to that aren't IRL are the racial deities created for Greyhawk and co-opted into the Forgotten Realms. Still all homebrew, according to you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It still doesn't provide the things you said it provided.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What? No, Loki is not "core DnD" he is a Norse Trickster god we can trace back to at least 1000 CE. Just because DnD uses him, much like dozens of other brands, doesn't mean he is "core". Additionally, "as core as you want" makes no sense. You put forth that the core is the core, but now the core is whatever I decide it is? That is nonsensical. </p><p></p><p>Sure, he is an example, but that doesn't make him core any more than Artemis Entreri who is also used as an example in the PHB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8407976, member: 6801228"] And? Just because it can be discussed by everyone doesn't mean it isn't a setting detail. Heck, everyone can discuss Draconians from the 5e PHB too, does that make them setting agnostic? And, Sigil was specfically mentioned and described in the PHB section you were talking about, but it is also very specifically the key set-piece for Planescape, a DnD setting. It didn't exist before then. Just pointing out that the only place they were used officially was in the realms. But, additionally, co-opting a real world religion doesn't make it "core dnd" I'm not assuming you have anything. I'm telling you that your assertion that "all settings are homebrew and thus we should only talk about the core" falls apart when you realize that pretty much everything in the core is settings. In fact, the things that are supposedly universal are either real world things you take (which would be equivalent to saying that London is Core DnD because you can use it) and things they were fairly similiar between Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms. I mean the only core Deities you can point to that aren't IRL are the racial deities created for Greyhawk and co-opted into the Forgotten Realms. Still all homebrew, according to you. It still doesn't provide the things you said it provided. What? No, Loki is not "core DnD" he is a Norse Trickster god we can trace back to at least 1000 CE. Just because DnD uses him, much like dozens of other brands, doesn't mean he is "core". Additionally, "as core as you want" makes no sense. You put forth that the core is the core, but now the core is whatever I decide it is? That is nonsensical. Sure, he is an example, but that doesn't make him core any more than Artemis Entreri who is also used as an example in the PHB. [/QUOTE]
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