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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8410885" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Since the books actively encourage us to make stuff up, it's relevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Evidence, please.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you showed it to someone else, I didn't see it. If you showed it to me, then no, you didn't prove anything. "It stands to reason" is not evidence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You are claiming that the creation of a new god would disrupt the balance. Show us that is the case. I'm sure that if it happened, it would be in an adventure or novel or even a splatbook somewhere, meaning that some online wiki has to have info on it. Google it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure I'll get around to it. But you're claiming that the creation of a new god would disrupt the balance. </p><p></p><p>I just showed you that it very likely wouldn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Please show me the RAW about how to create a god.</p><p></p><p>If there aren't any such rules, then talking about how to create gods is entirely relevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except when you told me I was doing it wrong in how I created gods. This means that you are pushing your preference on me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"So if Maxperson jumped off a cliff, would you?" --somebody's mother.</p><p></p><p>Permerton's rules, from what I've seen of them (which isn't every post), don't really support your assertion. And you haven't provided any facts that I've seen.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nobody. There was no god of magical secrets before that. He managed to invent his own job. According to Wikipedia, his history just says that, after getting killed by Kas, he rose as the demigod of magic and secrets and only became a greater god after eating Iuz. The FR Wiki says that he became a demigod after centuries of worship by his followers.</p><p></p><p>You still seem to think that there's a limited number of portfolios going around. This isn't the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I'm one of the people who has pointed out that 5e archfiends can grant spells, no, that's not different at all.</p><p></p><p>But the fact bot arch-things and gods can grant spells doesn't make them redundant. (You never did address my point about sylvan gods being redundant with arch-fey.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>As soon as you want to start doing so, go ahead.</p><p></p><p></p><p>According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhawk_deities#Greyhawk_as_a_home_campaign:_very_few_deities" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a>, the first two gods Gygax made were Cuthbert and Pholtus. It seems other gods were made up for the Greyhawk Folio in '83, I believe.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zero-calorie-foods#TOC_TITLE_HDR_2[/URL]</p><p></p><p>They're not <em>entirely </em>zero-calorie, but they're the type of food where you burn more calories eating them then they produce, so they kinda are.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He's the patron saint of Northumbria.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't said that you can't continue. I've asked you why you want to continue. In this thread, and in others I've seen you in, you belabor the point, move goalposts, and ignore or dismiss every shred of evidence or opinion that doesn't match yours, and you either accidentally or purposely misread people's comments in the most hostile manner possible. You seem to only care about "winning" the argument. That's why I want to know what your endgame is.</p><p></p><p>If that's not what you actually <em>want</em>, then you need to alter your writing style because it certainly looks like it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8410885, member: 6915329"] Since the books actively encourage us to make stuff up, it's relevant. Evidence, please. If you showed it to someone else, I didn't see it. If you showed it to me, then no, you didn't prove anything. "It stands to reason" is not evidence. You are claiming that the creation of a new god would disrupt the balance. Show us that is the case. I'm sure that if it happened, it would be in an adventure or novel or even a splatbook somewhere, meaning that some online wiki has to have info on it. Google it. I'm sure I'll get around to it. But you're claiming that the creation of a new god would disrupt the balance. I just showed you that it very likely wouldn't. Please show me the RAW about how to create a god. If there aren't any such rules, then talking about how to create gods is entirely relevant. Except when you told me I was doing it wrong in how I created gods. This means that you are pushing your preference on me. "So if Maxperson jumped off a cliff, would you?" --somebody's mother. Permerton's rules, from what I've seen of them (which isn't every post), don't really support your assertion. And you haven't provided any facts that I've seen. Nobody. There was no god of magical secrets before that. He managed to invent his own job. According to Wikipedia, his history just says that, after getting killed by Kas, he rose as the demigod of magic and secrets and only became a greater god after eating Iuz. The FR Wiki says that he became a demigod after centuries of worship by his followers. You still seem to think that there's a limited number of portfolios going around. This isn't the case. Since I'm one of the people who has pointed out that 5e archfiends can grant spells, no, that's not different at all. But the fact bot arch-things and gods can grant spells doesn't make them redundant. (You never did address my point about sylvan gods being redundant with arch-fey.) As soon as you want to start doing so, go ahead. According to [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhawk_deities#Greyhawk_as_a_home_campaign:_very_few_deities']Wikipedia[/URL], the first two gods Gygax made were Cuthbert and Pholtus. It seems other gods were made up for the Greyhawk Folio in '83, I believe. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zero-calorie-foods#TOC_TITLE_HDR_2[/URL] They're not [I]entirely [/I]zero-calorie, but they're the type of food where you burn more calories eating them then they produce, so they kinda are. He's the patron saint of Northumbria. I haven't said that you can't continue. I've asked you why you want to continue. In this thread, and in others I've seen you in, you belabor the point, move goalposts, and ignore or dismiss every shred of evidence or opinion that doesn't match yours, and you either accidentally or purposely misread people's comments in the most hostile manner possible. You seem to only care about "winning" the argument. That's why I want to know what your endgame is. If that's not what you actually [I]want[/I], then you need to alter your writing style because it certainly looks like it is. [/QUOTE]
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