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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8410993" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Oh what? Major changes in portfolios being major events? </p><p></p><p>The Time of Troubles/ The Avatars when the gods were stripped of their powers and portfolios were up for grabs. One of the few times it happened and a major event.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I'm sorry you missed it. But I'm not going to go back and repost every single piece of evidence found by myself, Pemerton and others just because you missed it the first time. I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with this thread as is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, you want me to prove Max's claim of the cosmic balance, then find you something somewhere that deals with the creation of a new god disrupting that cosmic balance? </p><p></p><p>Well, I can;t prove Max's claim on Cosmic Balance, because I can't speak for him, so again, if you want to know that, you might want to speak to him. </p><p></p><p>As for "the creation of a new god disrupting the cosmic balance" how about any adventure where the goal is to stop the BBEG from becoming a god? Probably one featuring a Yuan-Ti trying to ascend, since that is a major plot point of their race. I don't have every official product memorized, but it is a bog standard plot device.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You showed that it potentially wouldn't, there were two examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it isn't. Because we aren't talking in any way, shape or form about making new gods. So creating gods is entirely irrelevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean when I was talking about how to have the discussion on the role and purpose of evil gods. Remember the post immediately before this one I clarified that I had zero idea you were talking about something as irrelevant to the conversation as the creation of new gods.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, you want me to dismiss the basis of someone elses argument and substitute it for yours, because that will be, what? How does dismissing Max out of hand lead to a better discussion?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So wait, now that Vecna exists, this portfolio of magic and secrets exists. Before he existed, it didn't. Or maybe it did but it was unclaimed and inactive. </p><p></p><p>So... if there was a cosmic balance before Vecna, then that balance would have changed when Vecna took his position. But this is just basic logic, it can't be proof of anything because I don't have page numbers that state this outright.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's to address? You are probably right. Their are very few archfey, but considering the elves were fey, their gods would have likely been archfey at some point. There is a strong likelihood of redundancy there. However, the Archfey and the Fey in generally are very poorly defined and lack a solid basis, unlike the Demons and Devils, so it is much harder to talk about them. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And I've noticed you arguing one of my points. That's one of the things that makes this so frustrating. Because you seem to agree with me, but you have some chip on your shoulder about how you interpret my intentions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have been.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, not entirely zero calorie, which is what I said. All food must contain calories, because that's how food works.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No idea, is that a real place? Ah, seems it is. So, he wasn't even a figure created for the game, but one stolen from the Catholic Church. Good to know.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe I should just stop, because no matter what I do, no matter how many times I clarify, it doesn't matter. The accusations just come pouring in and I spend more time defending myself than actually discussing the point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8410993, member: 6801228"] Oh what? Major changes in portfolios being major events? The Time of Troubles/ The Avatars when the gods were stripped of their powers and portfolios were up for grabs. One of the few times it happened and a major event. Well, I'm sorry you missed it. But I'm not going to go back and repost every single piece of evidence found by myself, Pemerton and others just because you missed it the first time. I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with this thread as is. So, you want me to prove Max's claim of the cosmic balance, then find you something somewhere that deals with the creation of a new god disrupting that cosmic balance? Well, I can;t prove Max's claim on Cosmic Balance, because I can't speak for him, so again, if you want to know that, you might want to speak to him. As for "the creation of a new god disrupting the cosmic balance" how about any adventure where the goal is to stop the BBEG from becoming a god? Probably one featuring a Yuan-Ti trying to ascend, since that is a major plot point of their race. I don't have every official product memorized, but it is a bog standard plot device. You showed that it potentially wouldn't, there were two examples. No, it isn't. Because we aren't talking in any way, shape or form about making new gods. So creating gods is entirely irrelevant. You mean when I was talking about how to have the discussion on the role and purpose of evil gods. Remember the post immediately before this one I clarified that I had zero idea you were talking about something as irrelevant to the conversation as the creation of new gods. So, you want me to dismiss the basis of someone elses argument and substitute it for yours, because that will be, what? How does dismissing Max out of hand lead to a better discussion? So wait, now that Vecna exists, this portfolio of magic and secrets exists. Before he existed, it didn't. Or maybe it did but it was unclaimed and inactive. So... if there was a cosmic balance before Vecna, then that balance would have changed when Vecna took his position. But this is just basic logic, it can't be proof of anything because I don't have page numbers that state this outright. What's to address? You are probably right. Their are very few archfey, but considering the elves were fey, their gods would have likely been archfey at some point. There is a strong likelihood of redundancy there. However, the Archfey and the Fey in generally are very poorly defined and lack a solid basis, unlike the Demons and Devils, so it is much harder to talk about them. And I've noticed you arguing one of my points. That's one of the things that makes this so frustrating. Because you seem to agree with me, but you have some chip on your shoulder about how you interpret my intentions. I have been. So, not entirely zero calorie, which is what I said. All food must contain calories, because that's how food works. No idea, is that a real place? Ah, seems it is. So, he wasn't even a figure created for the game, but one stolen from the Catholic Church. Good to know. Maybe I should just stop, because no matter what I do, no matter how many times I clarify, it doesn't matter. The accusations just come pouring in and I spend more time defending myself than actually discussing the point. [/QUOTE]
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