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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8411797" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>So, unless they are built exactly like a cleric, they can't be a cleric? So, a Warpriest, an NPC who specifically has clerical spells, and casts with wisdom, and worships gods isn't a cleric, because they don't have every single PC class ability.</p><p></p><p>You are clutching at straws, especially since your only route seems to be to keep making up new "classes" because of how WoTC decided NPCs don't have to follow the same rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope, there are celestials that cast from the cleric spell list using Charisma. Innate casting (something the cultist doesn't have) doesn't require components. There are clear differences.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, you literally did.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those purposes being </p><p></p><p>1) Changing out their spell list</p><p>2) Attuning to items that require attunement by a cleric. </p><p></p><p>To the second point, no, a Divine Soul Sorcerer cannot attune to an item that requires a cleric to attune to it. A Cult Fanatic can. Even though they are both pulling from the same spell list.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8411797, member: 6801228"] So, unless they are built exactly like a cleric, they can't be a cleric? So, a Warpriest, an NPC who specifically has clerical spells, and casts with wisdom, and worships gods isn't a cleric, because they don't have every single PC class ability. You are clutching at straws, especially since your only route seems to be to keep making up new "classes" because of how WoTC decided NPCs don't have to follow the same rules. Nope, there are celestials that cast from the cleric spell list using Charisma. Innate casting (something the cultist doesn't have) doesn't require components. There are clear differences. Actually, you literally did. Those purposes being 1) Changing out their spell list 2) Attuning to items that require attunement by a cleric. To the second point, no, a Divine Soul Sorcerer cannot attune to an item that requires a cleric to attune to it. A Cult Fanatic can. Even though they are both pulling from the same spell list. [/QUOTE]
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