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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8411891" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't understand what you are saying.In AD&D - as represented by its MM, PHB and DMG - there is no rule that fiends are not able to cast spells, nor is there any rule that they are not able to grant spells. In the MM we have an example of devil-worshipping spell-casting clerics (Sahuagin); and in the contemperaneous module (D3 - its mezzodaemon and ncyadaemon even appear in the DMG encounter tables) we have a Demon Queen granting spells to her Drow clerics. T1 is published around the same time and has a human cleric of the "Demoness Lolth", Lareth the Beautiful.Then in 1980 DDG is published, it introduces a new rule about "levels" of godhood, and what spells they can grant, and says that Demon Lords and the like should be treated as lesser gods. It also changes Sahuagin from devil-worshippers to Sekolah worshipper.In the same year, the WoG Folio is published and it has the Horned Society as devil-worshippers. And in 1984 Ed Greenwood publishes an article in Dragon Magazine 91 that refers to clerics of the archdevils.As far as I'm aware, the next thing to be published in the AD&D line that bears on any of this is MotP, which changes the treatment of divine abilities for archdevils and the like from the DDG approach, but says nothing about their clerics.Then early in the life of 2nd ed AD&D we have a major boxed set - City of GH - which has within it a scenario with an Asmodeus-worshipping priest from the Horned Society with 7th level spells.After that, From the Ashes is published and says that The Horned Society worshipped Hextor and Nerull. That's a retcon. There is some other 2nd ed AD&D stuff that I'm less familiar with (eg A Guide to Hell?) that says that fiends don't have clerics or grant spells.But then one of the best known of Planescape modules, Dead Gods, has a priest of Orcus who is 12th level but (due to planar separation rules) operating at 9th level and has a full suite of spells up to 5th level. There's a note that the GM may wish to change the planar separation stuff and step up the priest's level, and to me it implies that in that case he would get his 6th level spells too (he has 17 WIS).That's a potted history of AD&D's approach to archfiends and clerics. It is not selective, except in the trivial sense that I haven't presented any material I'm not aware of.This is not correct. The DMG does not say anything about whether or not archdevils are gods able to grant spells. The PHB likewise says very little about gods except that (in the case of druids) they include trees, the sun and the moon. If the sun and the moon can be gods, than why not archdeivls.Perhaps you missed my earlier post on this point:</blockquote>

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