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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8412612" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, a Warpriest of Gaz’zt is perfectly able to be made, because the only restriction is that Archfiends can’t make clerics, and since the warpriest lacks the Turn Undead ability, they are not a cleric.And the warpriest has the subclass abilities of a War Cleric, so I could make “Grave Priest” of Orcus, who has all of the abilities of a Grave cleric, except the Turn Undead feature, and that would be perfectly fine, because they aren’t a cleric. This is the argument you are putting forth, that Archfiends can’t make clerics, but that clerics are a highly specific exact combination of class and subclass abilities, so there is no restriction on them making something that is 99% cleric, but that isn’t a cleric because they lack a single ability. Which makes the distinction pointless.Ah, I’m sorry. I forgot that the trait itself isn’t what gives them the ability, but the follow up“Innate Spellcasting: The couatl's spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 14). It can innately cast the following spells, requiring only verbal components:”So, again, casting from the cleric list, using charisma, and not needing most components. This is also true for every single Angel, except no material components instead of only verbal“Innate Spellcasting: The planetar's spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 20). The planetar can innately cast the following spells, requiring no material components:”Guardian Nagas and Androsphinxes directly call out the cleric spell list as well, with no components needed.Meanwhile, the Cult Fanatic casts using wisdom, from the cleric spell list, needing all of the components. Clearly distinctly different from all of these other ways of casting, but exactly the same manner that the Cleric casts.Okay, sure, you could also have a warlock of Asmodeus attune to a Holy Avenger. If all you wanted to say is “I can do anything I want” then that was a waste of a statement.But per the rules, a Divine Soul Sorcerer with access to the cleric spell list isn’t a cleric, and can’t be considered a cleric for the purposes you stated BY RAW (since, sure, you could make up a new rule and overwrite this). So the fact that the Cult Fanatic CAN BY RAW be considered a cleric for the purposes of attuning to items, and that they cast identically to clerics, and have access to the cleric spell list… really makes it seem like they are clerics.Unless you are the type of person who needs things to be identical. Despite NPCs not being required to follow the same rules, so an NPC cleric doesn’t NEED all of the PC cleric abilities to be a cleric.</blockquote>

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