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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8414653" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I didn't say it wasn't, but it is still lower bar than you seem to think to worship an extraplanar being that conquered your home.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Lower than you think -==/= "know they exist" </p><p></p><p>You seem to think though that it would somehow be difficult for an extremely powerful extraplanar being to conquer a massive swath of land and make a state religion where people actually worship him, after having the people as his servants for multiple decades. </p><p></p><p>It isn't that hard. They don't have to love him, they don't have to have faith that he has their best interests in heart, they have to worship him and perform acts of devotion. Even "I need to perform this prayer so Iuz doesn't kill my family" is kind of enough, since that is the sort of worship the Goddess Umberlee has.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or maybe he was born a demigod. Certainly don't see any point where as a Cambion he suddenly ranked up to Demigod. </p><p></p><p>But, we are just going to keep going in circles, because he has everything you say a God should have, and you are just stating that he must lack worship, because this being who existed before the D&DG book that said worship makes you more powerful and that demigods are weaker than gods, was listed as a demigod. Did it occur to you that if Iuz followed the rules he would be a Greater Deity? They just never bothered to change that because they felt it really didn't matter to the story?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm curious, why does Nerull have enough worshippers to be a greater god? Erythnul? Bane? Vecna? Shar? Malar? I can go on and on, Umberlee? Auril? All of them are murders and terrorize people. In fact, Umberlee's worship is almost EXCLUSIVELY because she has terrorized people into worshipping her. Other than "well, he was said to be a demigod before the rules came out" what reason do you have to believe that Iuz is any less successful than these other evil gods?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But he does have a lot of worshipers. He is worshiped by the entire global Gnoll community. That isn't a small number of worshipers. Additionally, I'd forgotten til I went to look up warband numbers, but Leucrotta's also worship him, so there are TWO sentient races that worship Yeenoghu, without counting human cultists, which he also has. </p><p></p><p>Additionally, their tactics tell us that there must be a lot of gnolls, because to overrun a castle gnolls will usually just fight and die, <strong><em>until they can climb their dead and overrun the castle</em></strong>. That would take hundreds of gnolls just to make that ramp, and they would still have enough to take the castle. </p><p></p><p>In other words, there are just as many gnolls as there are orcs, easily.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But I don't think there ARE a billion humans in Toril. Maybe tens of millions, but certainly not billions from looking over the numbers. </p><p></p><p>But, what if we took a population that was noticeably lower. Like Giants or Yuan-Ti. You said that to become a lesser diety you would only need the worship of a single country, that is certainly only around 500,000 people to maybe a million for a big country (using DnD numbers). And I'm talking about an entire race of people scattered in colonies and cities across the entire globe, or across other planes of existence in the case of the Ixichtl's. There are plenty of them to support a god, after all the Hill Giants alone support a god, and there certainly aren't an obscene number of them running around. </p><p></p><p>Heck, there is the God Kar'r'rga who is worshiped only by the natives of a small island called Jazayir al-Sartan</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So gnolls are outnumbered by the Uthgardt, the Hill Giants, the Trogolodytes, The Yuan-Ti, Beholders,Hags, Nagas, Rakshasas, Giant Eagles. </p><p></p><p>I could go on, but all of these people have gods. Are we really going to say that there are more immortal Naga's in the world than Gnolls?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8414653, member: 6801228"] I didn't say it wasn't, but it is still lower bar than you seem to think to worship an extraplanar being that conquered your home. Lower than you think -==/= "know they exist" You seem to think though that it would somehow be difficult for an extremely powerful extraplanar being to conquer a massive swath of land and make a state religion where people actually worship him, after having the people as his servants for multiple decades. It isn't that hard. They don't have to love him, they don't have to have faith that he has their best interests in heart, they have to worship him and perform acts of devotion. Even "I need to perform this prayer so Iuz doesn't kill my family" is kind of enough, since that is the sort of worship the Goddess Umberlee has. Or maybe he was born a demigod. Certainly don't see any point where as a Cambion he suddenly ranked up to Demigod. But, we are just going to keep going in circles, because he has everything you say a God should have, and you are just stating that he must lack worship, because this being who existed before the D&DG book that said worship makes you more powerful and that demigods are weaker than gods, was listed as a demigod. Did it occur to you that if Iuz followed the rules he would be a Greater Deity? They just never bothered to change that because they felt it really didn't matter to the story? I'm curious, why does Nerull have enough worshippers to be a greater god? Erythnul? Bane? Vecna? Shar? Malar? I can go on and on, Umberlee? Auril? All of them are murders and terrorize people. In fact, Umberlee's worship is almost EXCLUSIVELY because she has terrorized people into worshipping her. Other than "well, he was said to be a demigod before the rules came out" what reason do you have to believe that Iuz is any less successful than these other evil gods? But he does have a lot of worshipers. He is worshiped by the entire global Gnoll community. That isn't a small number of worshipers. Additionally, I'd forgotten til I went to look up warband numbers, but Leucrotta's also worship him, so there are TWO sentient races that worship Yeenoghu, without counting human cultists, which he also has. Additionally, their tactics tell us that there must be a lot of gnolls, because to overrun a castle gnolls will usually just fight and die, [B][I]until they can climb their dead and overrun the castle[/I][/B]. That would take hundreds of gnolls just to make that ramp, and they would still have enough to take the castle. In other words, there are just as many gnolls as there are orcs, easily. But I don't think there ARE a billion humans in Toril. Maybe tens of millions, but certainly not billions from looking over the numbers. But, what if we took a population that was noticeably lower. Like Giants or Yuan-Ti. You said that to become a lesser diety you would only need the worship of a single country, that is certainly only around 500,000 people to maybe a million for a big country (using DnD numbers). And I'm talking about an entire race of people scattered in colonies and cities across the entire globe, or across other planes of existence in the case of the Ixichtl's. There are plenty of them to support a god, after all the Hill Giants alone support a god, and there certainly aren't an obscene number of them running around. Heck, there is the God Kar'r'rga who is worshiped only by the natives of a small island called Jazayir al-Sartan So gnolls are outnumbered by the Uthgardt, the Hill Giants, the Trogolodytes, The Yuan-Ti, Beholders,Hags, Nagas, Rakshasas, Giant Eagles. I could go on, but all of these people have gods. Are we really going to say that there are more immortal Naga's in the world than Gnolls? [/QUOTE]
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