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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8416583" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And were you right this time? It doesn't seem so.Can you show me a god who created ex nihilo? Because interesting when this came up before, I couldn't find a single god who had done so. But, also, we can easily say that they can. Because there existed plenty of wizard spells in older editions that were creation ex nihilo, and being ancient beings of supreme magical power, they likely could do so.Funny you should say that since Iuz, a Cambion, is refered to almost exclusively as a Demigod. Additionally, I've been told that Demigod is merely a status in DnD, not actually being born of a mortal and divine being.It's this thing called pointing out similarities.And what's wrong with using a spell? That's what the gods do too. There is also not a single mention of magic items, so you are just assuming.They can, but I don't think it would work doing it the way you are proposing.Really? Then how does praying to an intermediary work?Yeah, let's imagine that. I'll take one from a polytheistic religion though. Like this one: "Lady Aphrodite, Beloved Goddess of all the world’s beauty, of love in all forms, and of purest desire,"Now, let's see... I'll change it to this "Lord Aphrodite, Beloved God of all beauty, of love of my brother, and of purest desire," Now, here's a question. Is this a prayer to Apollo or Aphrodite? Sure, this may change Aphrodite from a goddess of all love and beauty to a god of male love and beauty, but they are still praying to Aphrodite. And changing that? That's really hard to actually do.I'm thinking small because it has to be small to start. You can't shift things too far too fast, and so the changes have to be small and gradual. If you go to a catholic church and say "and now we brand the child with the mark of the beast" NO ONE is going to be fooled. That takes a lot of time to build up to that point. And again, I think it is more likely that these rituals are perverted, but not aimed at a different power, because the intent of the ritual is still aimed towards the original deity. Warping them perhaps, but not cutting them off.Exactly, and so that is the more likely outcome for changing the rituals and phrases. Not the death of the god, because the prayers are still going to the same god, but a warping of that god to match the interpretations.But that wasn't what you originally wrote, so I responded to that original writing.So, you don't know or care about other gods killed gods, but you want to make it a major point of your argument that Gloopy is going to get punished for killing Pistil. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. There is no reason to assume any more consequences for him than faced by any other DnD god guilty of the same crime.I'm not playing in your world though. I'm trying to have a discussion. And if you want to keep yelling at me for assumptions based on trying to have that discussion, that's on you.So, instead of accepting that doing more things is more difficult than doing fewer things, you resort to strawmanning me as figuring out the migratory pattern of dragons, then go on a long tangent of how you can choose to ignore everything and that's fine. You know what I would think of a world with hundreds of active gods, constantly not mentioned of interacting in anyway? That it was incoherent, and not very well thought out. And, I'd be right, because you are literally promoting putting them in and not thinking about it until they come up. Which, hey, that can work, but that doesn't mean you did a good job world building.And I never said I do force players to follow a prescribed plot. That is you making false assumptions and strawmanning me based on your biases. Again. You asked me to define "writing well" as universally as I could. I did that. You then counter me answering your question by basically saying your question never mattered.I'm sorry, are we players in a game right now? I thought we were two people fairly well versed in the canon lore having a discussion about canon lore? If I'm supposed to be playing a game should I roll up a character? I've got a few I've been wanting to try, but I'd rather not play Rise of Tiamat, it isn't really my cup of tea.Why not? Evil Gods exist in the Upper planes.Lolth doesn't have 66 hp in DnD 5e. She is unstatted.And I have. Repeatedly. What is with you and ignoring all the evidence I provide so you can turn around and tell me I'm not providing evidence?Yeenoghu the entity I was providing evidence for? And yes, there is plenty of evidence that him and Levistus answer prayers regularly. Like the fact that it literally says they do.Yes, because in that part of the discussion, as I told you three times and then and three times since then, we were discussing "what stories are possible". Since I made a story, it was possible, I know you have trouble following this, but different parts of our massive discussion have different levels of evidence. That's why I keep correcting you and clarifying.The 5e Monster Manual. The 5e DMG. And a bit from the 5e Volo's guide. As I have referenced them. Repeatedly.</blockquote>

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