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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8417036" data-attributes="member: 6915329">That was 4e. You know, the edition that explicitly says that Erythnul grants Yeenoghu's spells. You seem to keep forgetting that.Thanks to archive.org, I'm looking at the article right now. I... have no idea if she has spells or not. She has a couple of powers, but I don't know if they count as spells, and certainly none of them are labeled as clerical, nor is she actually called a cleric. She could be a warlock for all you know. Or even a paladin.[ATTACH=full]144851[/ATTACH]But at this point, it doesn't matter. I have pointed out multiple times that according to the page you linked, Yeenoghu doesn't grant spells; he gets Erythnul to do so. You ignored that and continue to claim that he does, instead of admitting you were wrong.You didn't bother to check when this issue of Dragon was published (7 years or so before 5e was released).You didn't bother why Tiamat's avatar needed to be summoned. You just claimed that oh, she needed to be summoned, therefore gods and archfiends are the same. Nope, she was imprisoned and her cultists were trying to bring her, not her avatar, to the prime. And then you tried to double down by talking about her history, instead of just admitting you were wrong.You continue to ignore and dismiss everything you disagree with, even when it proves you wrong factually.You make claims such as "it's in the core books" without providing a single quote or link, yet demand that I provide evidence--even though you ignore it. You make claims like "there's lots of spells that were created ex nihilo" without naming a single one. You expect me to take you at your word, and when I ask you to provide evidence, you refuse.You make claims like "the gods wouldn't punish Gloopy for killing Pistil!" and chide me because I said I don't care about what happened in the Realms, saying that there was no reason why Gloopy would suffer any punishment if murderous FR gods didn't. A moment of research on your part would show that, as punishment for killing Mystra, Cyric was imprisoned for a thousand years.You either don't realize there's a difference between innate godly powers and spells or simply refuse to accept it.When I said that archfiends would corrupt and infiltrate religions to pervert them or leech of the prayer-energy, you claimed gods could do that to. When I tried to come up with ways how gods could do it, you said that it was unlikely or impossible.You claim your own homebrew material as evidence for your claims--such as the fiend Tana being openly worshiped means that D&D fiends in general are openly worshiped--but dismiss anyone who brings up their own homebrew ideas.You continuously say that I'm doing things wrongly or badly, rather than saying "not to my taste" or "I wouldn't want to play in such a setting." And you're not accepting that other people might find your tastes to be "wrong" or "bad" as well.I'm just going to answer this last one individually, because I think it's important.From what I gather, Catholics pray to saints to ask them to intercede with God on their behalf. I imagine if someone is reading this and actually Catholic, they could answer you better, but I doubt they'd think that their prayers were feeding Saint Whomever.And so, since there is clearly no reason to continue talking to you, back into the ignore file with you!</blockquote>

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