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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8417511" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>None of it from 5e, though. 5e is where demigods lose the ability to grant spells, so 5e is where you need to prove the promotion.</p><p></p><p>Correct, but we have the PHB to prove otherwise about lesser and greater gods.</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry. You presented evidence? I'd love to see it. So far all I've seen is your assumption that just because some cults have Cult Fanatics, that somehow proves that Yeenoghu must have them as well.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at the Greyhawk wiki, since wikis are entirely accurate according to you.</p><p></p><p>First, your claim of 70 years of rule and indoctrination is bupkis. He took over in 479 and by 505 he had been defeated by a wizard and imprisoned under Castle Greyhawk. Some poweful god being he was to be taken out by a wizard. Anyway, that's 26 years and then the country gets to see just how weak he was. His followers split at that time. He comes back in 570, sixty-five years later. That's 65 years without this indoctrination. This time he lasts a mere 11 years before Vecna, who was only a lich at that time captured and then consumed Iuz, using him to become a real god(liches know how to do it!). That only lasted a year, though and he returned in 582. In 586 half his army was wiped out when many fiends were banished from Oerth. Now we're caught up in time and he has a broken rule in which he is repeatedly shown to be weak, and most of the 103 years since he appeared in that country have been spent by him imprisoned or dead.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://greyhawk.fandom.com/wiki/Iuz[/URL]</p><p></p><p>As I just proved to you in the quote, there are quasi-deities on that list who are incapable of granting spells. Perhaps their priests get spells from the god they serve. Perhaps it's up to individual DMs to promote them. But we have this absolute fact. 1) despite every god on that list being called a god and having domains, some of those gods are in fact demigods who cannot grant spells. I'll quote it again in case you missed it.</p><p></p><p>"Choose a god, a pantheon of gods, or some other <strong>quasi-divine being from among those listed in appendix B</strong> or those specified by your DM, and work with your DM to detail the nature of your religious service. Were you a lesser functionary in a temple, raised from childhood to assist the priests in the sacred rites? Or were you a high priest who suddenly experienced a call to serve your god in a different way? Perhaps you were the leader of a small cult outside of any established temple structure, or even an occult group that served a fiendish master that you now deny."</p><p></p><p>Tempus probably does it, since she's his Exarch.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8417511, member: 23751"] None of it from 5e, though. 5e is where demigods lose the ability to grant spells, so 5e is where you need to prove the promotion. Correct, but we have the PHB to prove otherwise about lesser and greater gods. I'm sorry. You presented evidence? I'd love to see it. So far all I've seen is your assumption that just because some cults have Cult Fanatics, that somehow proves that Yeenoghu must have them as well. Let's look at the Greyhawk wiki, since wikis are entirely accurate according to you. First, your claim of 70 years of rule and indoctrination is bupkis. He took over in 479 and by 505 he had been defeated by a wizard and imprisoned under Castle Greyhawk. Some poweful god being he was to be taken out by a wizard. Anyway, that's 26 years and then the country gets to see just how weak he was. His followers split at that time. He comes back in 570, sixty-five years later. That's 65 years without this indoctrination. This time he lasts a mere 11 years before Vecna, who was only a lich at that time captured and then consumed Iuz, using him to become a real god(liches know how to do it!). That only lasted a year, though and he returned in 582. In 586 half his army was wiped out when many fiends were banished from Oerth. Now we're caught up in time and he has a broken rule in which he is repeatedly shown to be weak, and most of the 103 years since he appeared in that country have been spent by him imprisoned or dead. [URL unfurl="true"]https://greyhawk.fandom.com/wiki/Iuz[/URL] As I just proved to you in the quote, there are quasi-deities on that list who are incapable of granting spells. Perhaps their priests get spells from the god they serve. Perhaps it's up to individual DMs to promote them. But we have this absolute fact. 1) despite every god on that list being called a god and having domains, some of those gods are in fact demigods who cannot grant spells. I'll quote it again in case you missed it. "Choose a god, a pantheon of gods, or some other [B]quasi-divine being from among those listed in appendix B[/B] or those specified by your DM, and work with your DM to detail the nature of your religious service. Were you a lesser functionary in a temple, raised from childhood to assist the priests in the sacred rites?[B] [/B]Or were you a high priest who suddenly experienced a call to serve your god in a different way? Perhaps you were the leader of a small cult outside of any established temple structure, or even an occult group that served a fiendish master that you now deny." Tempus probably does it, since she's his Exarch. [/QUOTE]
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