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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8417791" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And for some reason the MM and Volo's declaring that he has cultists and answers prayers (things demigod can't do) and the cult fanatic with cleric spells who is designed for doing things like worshiping Yennoghu (but isn't specific to him since it is a general cult leader to slot into many different cults) isn't enough evidence for you because... you don't like it and therefore won't accept it.In general sure, but you can't prove that any given god has magical clerics in their church. You can only prove that a DM might include one, the exact same general use that the Cult Fanatic has, that you refuse to acknowledge. I mean, you can show me a statted up 5e cleric of Celestian right? That's the exact same requirement of evidence you gave me, so that's fair, correct? Actually, I'll give you a better shot. Find me a statted out and officially printed cleric of Celestian, Ralishaz, Trithereon, Ulaa or Beory. That's five different gods/goddesses, so it should be even easier for you to find at least one officially statted up cleric for one of them, right?Cult Fanatics are literally listed as cult leaders for Demonic Cults. Yeenoghu has demonic cults, and we are specifically told that humans can rise through his cults to lead them. Even getting additional magic powers if you want to use the rules in Mordenkainen's, which actually directly states "Cult Leaders gain the Aura of Bloodthirst trait" which is supposed to apply to a non-gnoll. And, we have a statblock for a cult leader, the Cult Fanatic, which directly says " Fanatics are often part of a cult's leadership, using their charisma and dogma to influence and prey on those of weak will."So, yes, I can't think of any reason to dispute this, except you don't like it.Which proves you don't actually read the evidence. To quote directly from your own link: "In 505 CY Iuz vanished. Many of the orcs, clans that had served him for years, as well as some of his human followers claimed he has ascended to full godhood, beginning to worship him, and actually able to perform cleric spells based on their worship."What's that? Real worship that led to clerical spells? I thought you said almost no one really worshiped him? Additionally, he was a demigod by this point in time, since if we follow the link to Zagyg it says "In 505 CY, Zagyg succeeded in capturing nine demigods of opposing alignments and imprisoning them beneath Castle Greyhawk.". So, in 26 years he was already a demigod, since that was when he was captured, and his worship only increased after that point.Also, if we count this time of his people saying he ascended to full godhood and were actively worshiping him (because they didn't know he was captured) what do we find? Well, he was captured for 65 years, like you said, and what do you get if you add 26+65? 91. So, about 90 years. Like I kept saying. So, while imprisoned, the apparatus he had put in place, led to his continued worship and the indoctrination of the populace. Again, like I kept saying.So, you are convinced that that refers to beings that no one would have any idea were demigods, and not to the ones like "The Blood of Vol: Philosophy of immortality and undeath", "The Path of Light: The Philosophy of Light and Self-improvement", "The Undying Court, Elven Ancestors", and "The Spirits of the Past, Elven Ancestors" the only things in appendix B NOT called gods, and which would be quasi-divine beings, such as vestiges. Also, this is again for the Acolyte background, just to be clear.So, Tempus hears the prayer, sends it to the The Red Knight, who then takes it to Tempus, and then tells her to grant the prayer with magic, that Tempus then provides and uses to grant the prayer... seems like an utter waste of everyone's time if Tempus is just going to do all the work anyways.</blockquote>

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