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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8418703" data-attributes="member: 42582">As [USER=2209]@Voadam[/USER] has replied, and as I anticipated in my post to which you replied, the Erythnul thing is from 3E.In 4e Yeenoghu does not have clerics in the strict sense because - as has been discussed upthread - clerics are empowered by divine beings and Yeenoghu is an elemental/primordial being. (This is one manifestation of the broader 4e cosmology.)But as I pointed out way upthread, and as [USER=6801228]@Chaosmancer[/USER] has since pointed out, in 4e there are worshippers of Yeenoghu who receive power from him which is in functional and basic story terms the same as a cleric. In this respect 4e is like AD&D c 1980 - there is no fundamental difference between archfiends and evil gods in terms of their role in the fiction; although in 4e there are differences that matter to the cosmology and so can shape the details of their place in the fiction.OK. That's all a bit bonkers. There's no doubt that Iuz has many worshippers. And in GH there's no particular correlation between number or fervency of worshippers, and divine standing. In the 1984 boxed set most of the popular, widely worshipped gods (St Cuthbert, Tritherion, Pholtus, Fharlaghn, etc) are Lesser Gods - which reflects their place in the mythic history (they are newer, less "primordial" gods) rather than their popularity.Also, and following on from [USER=2209]@Voadam[/USER]'s post about 2nd ed AD&D Monster Mythology: in the 1980 DDG, in the Non-Human section, there is an entry for Ixitxatchitl which says that they worship Demogorgon. And the MM entry (published 1977) says that Ixitxatchitl are clerics. And the PHB (1978) and DMG (1979) both say that clerics get their spells from gods/deities. All of which seems to entail that Demogorgon is a demon prince who is a god.</blockquote>

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