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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8419574" data-attributes="member: 42582">[USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] does not have any textual evidence that Iuz is not widely worshipped by the evil inhabitants of his realm. In fact, to the extent that there is any evidence it all pushes the other way: the folio implies that he is worshipped, the boxed set goes further and stats him out as a (demi-)god, From the Ashes has details for his clergy, and Iuz the Evil talks about his church, has the Boneheart full of clerics, etc. The reason he is written as a demi-god, as best I can tell, is because that is how Gygax always seems to have described the beings that Zagyg had trapped in the GH dungeons and who were subsequently released by adventurers (I think it was Robilar).Maxperson is asserting that Iuz has few worshippers simply on the basis that he is a demigod; and Maxpersons's ground for this claim is not any of the fiction actually written about Iuz, but rather a rule stated in some other D&D text that says that divine status correlates to number of worshippers.It's an example of confusing (i) textual interpretation and criticism with (ii) positing a fiction that no one ever actually wrote by treating certain rules that no published author of GH material ever seems to have taken seriously as if they are part of the inner logic of the fiction.The phenomenon described in the previous paragraph is basically the whole of the explanation of the bulk of this thread: people reasoning about D&D as if it were amenable to presentation as an axiomatic system, rather than what it actually is - which is a series of works published at different times and written by different authors, most of whom didn't care about what was written in (eg) DDG on the topic of divine status, because that DDG stuff was irrelevant to the fiction they wanted to create.</blockquote>

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