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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8419951" data-attributes="member: 6801228">The main thrust of the debate is as follows.There is an oddity in that beings like Iuz are listed as "gods" in the PHB Appendix B, while traditionally he is a demigod. Max attempted to show that this is because the 5e designers didn't care about the "divine rank" of the beings posted in the tables, and found six more traditional demigods in the Sword Coast whose table entries called them gods.  I pointed out though that the Sword Coast consistently calls them gods, and never calls them demigods. Max then referred to the Acolyte background, which says you can be an acolyte of a god, pantheon of gods, or Quasi-Divine beings found in Appendix B. He has concluded that this can only possibly mean demigods, like Iuz was, which would mean Iuz is really a Demigod and just listed as a god. Iuz is also the only one in appendix B this applies to, maybe Heracles. I have countered by proposing that it is possible that the Appendix B listings for things in Eberron like the Undying court and the Blood of Vol are what are being referred to here, since they are not gods or pantheons of gods, and are in Appendix B. Max has insisted I am utterly wrong.I definitely agree that there is a lot of back and forth in the core books. If I had to untangle it I would say this. The Greater God, Lesser God, Quasi-Divine Being split is mostly aimed at the traditional DnD models of the cosmos. Loose Pantheons like what are found in Greyhawk and others. Eberron is not standard, and frankly, I'd say that the distinctions make little to no sense in Eberron. Knowing Eberron as I do, I'd say that the Silver Flame and the Undying Court would be "quasi-dieties" only because the "true gods" of Eberron are omni-present forces that can never be directly communicated with, while the Silver Flame has a terrestial prescence and the you can have luncheon with the Undying Court. But that implies a weakness in those two forces that is fundamentally wrong, so even that isn't exactly accurate. And the more you change from the standard model, the less useful the terms and rules of the DMG are.</blockquote>

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