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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8420878" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Demigods in 5e cannot answer prayers and cannot grant spells. That is not the same as it was. The Eberron stuff is simply attempting to highlight that there is more than one explanation for the Acolyte text. You seem to be of the opinion that the only possible reasoning for it is secret demigods that you need to read older sourcebooks to discover their true natures. I just can't accept that that is the only possible explanation when we literally have four entries in appendix B that are not gods or pantheons, and therefore would qualify for a third category of "quasi-divine beings"And picking apart my analogy serves what purpose again? Oh right, none at all except trying to continue pushing a false narrative. To repeat myself. If you keep insisting on "this single member of the court is CR 9" as some metric to measure the power of the entire court working in unison, despite that blatantly misrepresenting their power, then you are arguing in bad faith. There is nothing else to say to that. You are arguing in bad faith, because the entire point of the Court is that they are working in unison and the sum is greater than the parts.No, it isn't a dichotomy. Yes, the list isn't exhaustive, but "demigod" is on the list. You are literally saying that how the DMG defines Demigod doesn't apply to demigods, because in older editions the definition was different. That isn't how things work.I don't think you linked this before, and reading through it, I think you maybe didn't read this closely. First of all, I will point out that all of the information in that article is from either the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide in 2008 or the Divine Power book in 2009. 5e, to remind you, was released in 2014. This is all 4e information, none of it is from 5e. Secondly, I would like to draw your attention to that text explicitly cited from Divine Power, (emphasis mine):To repeat: An Exarch gains no additional powers from becoming an Exarch. Zero. Nada. Nothing. This, to me, explains A LOT about the changes we see in the 5e Sword Coast Guide. WoTC changed the definition of Demigod, to more closely resemble the common understanding and move away from the 2e and 3.5 understandings of the terms. However, this left them a bunch of figures that had become relatively important in the realms, that people wanted to see more of , but that no longer could fulfil their role. So, they made them Lesser Gods instead of Demigods. Not because it increases their power, but because the definitions changed. And they didn't have to change the Exarch information at all, because being an Exarch never came with additional abilities. And, to quote the other relevant text "but are more often simply conduits from the mortal world to the attention of the higher gods." The entire point was to take prayers and pass them on to the more powerful Gods, directing their attention where it needed to be. In 5e, that means that an Exarch has to be either some undefined thing that isn't on the list because it doesn't match up with anything, or they have to be a lesser god. Because Lesser Gods can hear prayers, and Quasi-Divine Beings, can't.And yet, as I literally just quoted. That is the job of an Exarch. Which, actually re-reading the entry... She isn't even an Exarch anymore. The term "Exarch" never appears in the Sword Coast Guide. She just has altars to Tempus in her Temples. Nothing even says that Tempus grants the spells or answers prayers directed at her. So, yeah, the Red Knight is a full Lesser Diety who just respects and works with Tempus according to all of the 5e lore written about her.Find me a quote that proves that. Because so far it seems that is your opinion, and nothing more.</blockquote>

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