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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8421122" data-attributes="member: 6801228">What do you mean "maybe things have changed for 5e on this"? Didn't you just say this was coming from a brand new 5e book featuring Minsc and Boo?Edit: AH, thank you [USER=40810]@Mirtek[/USER] . That explains a lot about what is going on. A book set in the past, and then these three gods being reduced to mortals with the world of Toril as their home Plane. This is very interesting, especially with how these beings seem to be being treated.  Perkins both says they aren't as powerful as gods, refers to them as mortals who can be killed, and then says "Bane is the God of Tyranny". It seems like Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul are being treated exactly how I would imagine the Archfiends being treated if they made it to the mortal plane, minus the actual apocalypse it would mean. Noting the mortal "gods" can still grant powers. Even though they are no longer "as powerful as gods" but are gods.I never said that being in Appendix B means that you are guaranteed to be able to grant spells. None of them are listed as Demigods. I also never said that the four I pointed out were "Demigods, Titans or Vestiges". I said that they were potentially the "Quasi-Divine Entities" that were being mentioned, since there are no listed Demigods, titans or vestiges.I'm not adding to the DMG definition. I'm pointing out that Eberron doesn't fit the standard model, but might have been referenced by the background you keep quoting. Read the Rising from the Last War book, and you'll get an entire section on how the Eberron system works. What you are trying to do is say that Demigods work differently than Demigods are stated to work, and that anything that used to be a Demigod must still be a demigod, even though none of them are listed as demigods. That isn't adding to the category, that is saying that the categories are wrong because it isn't what you like.And we have information to the contrary. The Entry on the Red Knight, the Entry on demigods, ect.So, you seem to have been putting forth that "being an Exarch" is the reason that the Red Knight can do things that a Demigod can't do, despite you insisting that she is a Demigod. Yet, when I point out that Exarchs get no additional powers from being an Exarch... you decide to focus on something I didn't say. I'm getting a little tired of your strawmen. They gain no powers, no new abilities, so no, being an Exarch doesn't allow The Red Knight to do things that she otherwise couldn't do. Because the rules stated that she has no abilities from being an Exarch.Another strawman. I not only quoted the text, I bolded the text. They aren't a conduit to the higher power. The are the conduit to the ATTENTION of a Higher God. How do you get the attention of a god? Is it by granting spells? Does it have anything at all to do with granting spells? No. You get the attention of a god by praying. If the Red Knight was a demigod in 5e, she could not hear prayers. If she cannot hear prayers, how can she be the conduit from mortals to the ATTENTION of a Higher God? And no, the answer isn't "Tempus grants the spells" because that has nothing to do with it.She does not seem to serve that role, since that role is never mentioned in anyway, shape or form in 5e materials. And, do some research into... literally any polytheistic religion. Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Hindu, just go ahead and pick one. You will find that many times a temple dedicated to a god or goddess also has an altar devoted to a related god or goddess. How might the Red Knight (Goddess of Strategy in Battle) be related to Tempus (The God of War)? I'm sure if you look really closely you might be able to figure it out.</blockquote>

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