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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8422406" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Seriously? You want to go with "new players won't know that the elves have gods"? That's your defense for blatantly just missing or ignoring racial deties? So, Max, are you a new player? Or, how about it suddenly being the "DMs choice". That didn't seem to matter for... literally anything else we are discussing. Finally, I don't know what "greyspace" is, but I'm going to guess by the mention of other worlds that you are talking about Spelljammer. So, you now want to change settings and go from discussing Greyhawk, to discussing Spelljammer. Tell me, did the Greyhawk setting books often talk about Spelljammer? Was it just assumed that every Greyhawk book should include Spelljammer lore? Or is this just you desperately shifting goalposts because you are realizing that you were just plain wrong.No, a million isn't nearly enough for all of them. And there are far more than 10 greaters.You can't even read your own source. If you want to use this source and we have to suddenly shift from 3.5 rules to 5e rules to make all the intermediates into lessers then you have 17 greater gods and 116 "lesser gods" which ignores all of the "demigods" Could you stop blatantly trying to twist the numbers to reduce the actual deity list of Greyhawk?Actually, I've been trying to show you that even if we assume 3.5 as the rules, since they were the only edition to care about this X number of worshipers per god rank that you are clinging to against all reason, that even that wasn't followed. And doing that by highlighting things like an Intermediate god having a "tiny" number of worshipers, which would be impossible since he needs many thousands to be an intermediate god. Or the fact that looking at the greyhawk setting, there are barely enough people to power all these gods, without even touching on those that don't worship, and those that worhsip fiendish cults or GOO cults. And instead you want to focus on definitions, like trying to suddenly make it matter that intermediate doesn't exist as a category anymore... while still trying to use the rules that HAD intermediate as a category to define how 5e MUST work.You know one of them they are on? Greyhawk. Many of them were created as part of Greyhawk. You don't get to rewrite history just because it weakens your position.</blockquote>

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