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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8428798" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>No, it actually doesn't. You guys are trying to force Domains to be something they aren't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course it is important. You can't play a cleric without a subclass. But it ISN'T important to setting up splinter groups or worship of different aspects of the deties. </p><p></p><p>Actually, I keep forgetting we have IRL deities in the book. Let's take Aphrodite. First of all, she is given in the PHB the Domain of Light. This is... very odd as a religious thing. She was associated with love, madness, beauty and the ocean but not the sun or fire. But, look at some of her worship, in Sparta we have evidence that she was a War Goddess. So, if the point was that Domains represented the different ways that they were worshiped, then we would have given her the Domain of War, but we don't. Because that isn't what domains ARE.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't disagree with any of this... but none of this applies to any domains. There isn't the "Domain of Secrets" that led to a splintering of Moradin into a god of secrets. The Domains are only listed as an idea for which cleric subclasses are the best fit for the different gods. And they aren't accurate for a lot of them. We don'y have a Love Domain or a Beauty Domain, those became Peace. And Aphrodite certainly isn't a goddess of Peace. But, we can take the domain, use the mechanics, and work from there to get RP based on the actual information of the deities we are trying to represent. </p><p></p><p>Apsects =/= Domains.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But you can create sects OUTSIDE of domains. You can create interesting religions without even looking at the Domains. Domains are just cleric subclasses. They aren't required for the RP. </p><p></p><p>And, before you start going on a "but they help" tangent. Go back, double-check Max's claim. His claim is that the Acolyte chooses a domain, because they need to for RP, and that this is the reason that Iuz (who he claims is a demigod) has the Death Domain. Because, Max insists that Iuz is still a demigod in 5e, even though the definition of demigod has changed, and if Iuz was a demigod then he wouldn't be able to grant spells to clerics. </p><p></p><p>We know that Iuz does grant spells to clerics though, because he has the Death Domain and is mentioned by name in the Death Domain. However, Max is now insisting that the only reason Iuz has the Death Domain is because he needs it so the non-spellcasting Acolyte can have a Domain. He is saying it is required for the RP, and that is why it exists, even though Iuz has no clerics (as his claim) </p><p></p><p>This is why I am insistent on this being separate. The domains exist as cleric subclasses. That is their design purpose. They do not exist so that anyone with an Acolyte background can RP being a member of the faithful. That is not the design purpose behind Domains.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And for the vast majority of them then, there is no choice. The majority of Deities have only a single domain. It is rare to have two. None of them have three. </p><p></p><p>And, as shown when I looked in the Acolyte entry in the PHB, there is nowhere that is says you pick a Domain. I could post the entirety of the Acolyte if you want. Max's quote says "when selecting your character's domain" the only time your character selects a domain is when you are a cleric, because Domain is the name of your subclass. </p><p></p><p>I am not denying aspects of gods that can be worshiped. I'm not denying that sects or splinter groups exist. I am denying that Cleric Subclasses are anything more than Cleric Subclasses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not restraining myself. I'm showing you that even when you have a single domain, you can have multiple sects, because Domains are only cleric subclasses. Everything else you are talking about, <strong><em>WHICH I AGREE WITH AND LIKE</em></strong>, are not tied to Domains. Domains have nothing to do with it. Domains are cleric subclasses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is like saying I'm restricting myself because not all performances are tied to Bard Colleges. You are demanding a restriction by tying subclasses to something they are not tied to. For no reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you are wrong. I'm sorry, you just are. The non-caster does not need to consider the domain, because the domain is the cleric subclass. They need to consider the deity. They need to consider any sects or versions of the dogma they wish to create. You can worship Odin as Knowledge and War and Trickery and Poetry and the Patron of Alcohol. You could be part of a sect that worships Odin entirely as the God of Drunken Stunts. </p><p></p><p>But you don't need Domains to do that. You need to know something about the deity in question. The two are not connected.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8428798, member: 6801228"] No, it actually doesn't. You guys are trying to force Domains to be something they aren't. Of course it is important. You can't play a cleric without a subclass. But it ISN'T important to setting up splinter groups or worship of different aspects of the deties. Actually, I keep forgetting we have IRL deities in the book. Let's take Aphrodite. First of all, she is given in the PHB the Domain of Light. This is... very odd as a religious thing. She was associated with love, madness, beauty and the ocean but not the sun or fire. But, look at some of her worship, in Sparta we have evidence that she was a War Goddess. So, if the point was that Domains represented the different ways that they were worshiped, then we would have given her the Domain of War, but we don't. Because that isn't what domains ARE. I don't disagree with any of this... but none of this applies to any domains. There isn't the "Domain of Secrets" that led to a splintering of Moradin into a god of secrets. The Domains are only listed as an idea for which cleric subclasses are the best fit for the different gods. And they aren't accurate for a lot of them. We don'y have a Love Domain or a Beauty Domain, those became Peace. And Aphrodite certainly isn't a goddess of Peace. But, we can take the domain, use the mechanics, and work from there to get RP based on the actual information of the deities we are trying to represent. Apsects =/= Domains. But you can create sects OUTSIDE of domains. You can create interesting religions without even looking at the Domains. Domains are just cleric subclasses. They aren't required for the RP. And, before you start going on a "but they help" tangent. Go back, double-check Max's claim. His claim is that the Acolyte chooses a domain, because they need to for RP, and that this is the reason that Iuz (who he claims is a demigod) has the Death Domain. Because, Max insists that Iuz is still a demigod in 5e, even though the definition of demigod has changed, and if Iuz was a demigod then he wouldn't be able to grant spells to clerics. We know that Iuz does grant spells to clerics though, because he has the Death Domain and is mentioned by name in the Death Domain. However, Max is now insisting that the only reason Iuz has the Death Domain is because he needs it so the non-spellcasting Acolyte can have a Domain. He is saying it is required for the RP, and that is why it exists, even though Iuz has no clerics (as his claim) This is why I am insistent on this being separate. The domains exist as cleric subclasses. That is their design purpose. They do not exist so that anyone with an Acolyte background can RP being a member of the faithful. That is not the design purpose behind Domains. And for the vast majority of them then, there is no choice. The majority of Deities have only a single domain. It is rare to have two. None of them have three. And, as shown when I looked in the Acolyte entry in the PHB, there is nowhere that is says you pick a Domain. I could post the entirety of the Acolyte if you want. Max's quote says "when selecting your character's domain" the only time your character selects a domain is when you are a cleric, because Domain is the name of your subclass. I am not denying aspects of gods that can be worshiped. I'm not denying that sects or splinter groups exist. I am denying that Cleric Subclasses are anything more than Cleric Subclasses. I am not restraining myself. I'm showing you that even when you have a single domain, you can have multiple sects, because Domains are only cleric subclasses. Everything else you are talking about, [B][I]WHICH I AGREE WITH AND LIKE[/I][/B], are not tied to Domains. Domains have nothing to do with it. Domains are cleric subclasses. This is like saying I'm restricting myself because not all performances are tied to Bard Colleges. You are demanding a restriction by tying subclasses to something they are not tied to. For no reason. No, you are wrong. I'm sorry, you just are. The non-caster does not need to consider the domain, because the domain is the cleric subclass. They need to consider the deity. They need to consider any sects or versions of the dogma they wish to create. You can worship Odin as Knowledge and War and Trickery and Poetry and the Patron of Alcohol. You could be part of a sect that worships Odin entirely as the God of Drunken Stunts. But you don't need Domains to do that. You need to know something about the deity in question. The two are not connected. [/QUOTE]
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