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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8435889" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I also need to persuade them to do a war cleric of Moradin, or a Light Cleric of Hestia, or a cleric of Tymora, or criminal. Every single thing I post you and Helldritch say I need DM permission for. At some point, it stops being about the rules, and starts being about control. After all, I need to discuss with the DM if gods exist, if clerics exist, if I'm allowed to play one, which gods I'm allowed to worship, it is beyond suffocating at this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I thought this was about the DM, because the rules are only a tool of the DM, now it is back to being about rules. And I don't think the rules say what you think they do. </p><p></p><p>But yes, since I will acknowledge that you believe I need to speak to the DM about any and all parts of my character creation and get their approval, because controlling the entire world isn't enough, then I would like to move on to if they have any reason to do so. You want that reason to be "Da Rulez!" but I think we've already established (and of course you disagree because nothing I post is ever enough to get considered) that the listings in the PHB are not exhaustive, and so even if we agree on what the rules say (and we don't, because I don't believe the rules intend to be locked in stone) then there would still need to be a reason. And you don't have one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And we can show that, RAW, this position isn't actually all that supported. After all, why does the God of Poetry have the Light Domain? If you can be a god of poetry and control fire and light, then why can't you be a god of secrets and control beasts and gain druidic magic?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Mystra was the reincarnation of Mystryl who was born of Shar and Selune. She was not a human goddess. The fact that a human was transformed into Mystra doesn't make her a human goddess in the way you are claiming. Her worship extends far FAR beyond humans.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They couldn't be human gods from the start, humans didn't EXIST. And how should we assume the authors of the Realms who are telling us "this is what happened" are WRONG. </p><p></p><p>And seriously? Artwork? That proves literally nothing since the gods can appear however they please.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>DnD does not assume secret knowledge of the rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8435889, member: 6801228"] I also need to persuade them to do a war cleric of Moradin, or a Light Cleric of Hestia, or a cleric of Tymora, or criminal. Every single thing I post you and Helldritch say I need DM permission for. At some point, it stops being about the rules, and starts being about control. After all, I need to discuss with the DM if gods exist, if clerics exist, if I'm allowed to play one, which gods I'm allowed to worship, it is beyond suffocating at this point. I thought this was about the DM, because the rules are only a tool of the DM, now it is back to being about rules. And I don't think the rules say what you think they do. But yes, since I will acknowledge that you believe I need to speak to the DM about any and all parts of my character creation and get their approval, because controlling the entire world isn't enough, then I would like to move on to if they have any reason to do so. You want that reason to be "Da Rulez!" but I think we've already established (and of course you disagree because nothing I post is ever enough to get considered) that the listings in the PHB are not exhaustive, and so even if we agree on what the rules say (and we don't, because I don't believe the rules intend to be locked in stone) then there would still need to be a reason. And you don't have one. And we can show that, RAW, this position isn't actually all that supported. After all, why does the God of Poetry have the Light Domain? If you can be a god of poetry and control fire and light, then why can't you be a god of secrets and control beasts and gain druidic magic? Mystra was the reincarnation of Mystryl who was born of Shar and Selune. She was not a human goddess. The fact that a human was transformed into Mystra doesn't make her a human goddess in the way you are claiming. Her worship extends far FAR beyond humans. They couldn't be human gods from the start, humans didn't EXIST. And how should we assume the authors of the Realms who are telling us "this is what happened" are WRONG. And seriously? Artwork? That proves literally nothing since the gods can appear however they please. DnD does not assume secret knowledge of the rules. [/QUOTE]
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