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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8436293" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>You invited yourself in my game. With a corrupted sheriff, you're either dead, or in jail and soon to be. Tough luck man. Sorry.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hey! I'm a generous man. What can I say.</p><p>But being part of the region is usually mandatory. A region can be big. Or small. It would mean discussion with me and the other players. Ho the tyranny of the majority...</p><p></p><p></p><p>According to you. But once the vote are cast. You and I have to abide. Why do you constest that I apply the votes and the rules?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No you discovered that the Sheriff is corrupted. And he surely knows because he beat you. It will be either to a pulp or simply put you in jail and hang you next morning just to make a nice example of you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Point conceded here. But usually, this is not what we will see.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope, you are the one trying to changing the cleric's rules. Not me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That you accept it or not has no bearing. I read the rules, and see that you are wrong. Wheter you agree or not in my game is of no consequence as everyone in my games sees this the same as I. You are the one with a weird interpretation. Tyranny of the majority again...</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Nope, a suggestion is a suggestion. It can be ignored or acted upon. There is the Acolyte background, the text is relative fluff. Even you said that the tables are mere suggestions and that you can ignore them and write your own TIB if you so choose (and if the DM chooses to allow you to do it) Unless you no longer feel that way?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p>Ho no, it is not run only at my table. But I am telling that apply rules. You just do not accept the rule that I use RAW and RAI in favor of your weird reading where a cleric of Vecna could choose nature because "I read it that way" no one can tell me the I am wrong because it is me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you go to the book store. Do you expect to find a freezer and buy it there? Ho the Devils will go along your plan, make fine prints and exceptions and yaddi yadda. End point? They'll get your soul. Demons? Straight forward ask for it. No bargains, don't want it? Go away. Their philosophy is quite straigth forward and if they can't get your soul through a deal, they'll simply try to get it right here and now.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Wait???? Tables are not suggestion but you can and will ignore them. But a simple suggestion has more bearing than whole tables... You are very consistant in your approach.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p><p>Fortunately you did not. As your patron, I'd ask for your soul! (details details... but one can hope doesn't it?)</p><p>If you want to talk about the game in general, why do you go with books other than what you are sure that everybody here has?</p><p>Why do you bother defending a reading that do hold close scrutiny unless you ignore the whole text?</p><p>Why do you ignore that under domain, you have gods listed as having these domains?</p><p>Why do you ignore the Appendix B that tells you which gods have which domain(s)?</p><p>Your reading only works in your game and only if you ignore zounds of text rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read again my friend a 4th level with pick locks. This is about what you would need to solo the sheriff and survive if caught.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You are first level.</p><p>You bribe with what?</p><p>A single explosive runes on the lock and you're dead unless about 4th level. 200 gold is not that much for a sheriff.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. That I can understand. But as I said in another answer, the death rate ratio in the first three levels is pretty high in my games. Very high if you compare to a lot of tables. Doing such a long back story is a total waste of time and character creation is always with everyone at the table. Once the votes are done with, it takes about 20 minutes to get started on the adventure itself. Not a lot of time to write one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unless you want to slow down everyone else. Not really.</p><p>If we are in another system. Such as Vampire the Masquerade. The back story will be more than mandatory. Usually a few pages long and one part will be done by you and one part will done by me (more or less, see the following). You would have to take a bit of notes the second part of your background as I would tell you Who is your Sire. Why you think the embraced you. The life you have had with your Sire until your Sire released you. How your Sire presented you to the Prince and the vampire community and a bit about the Masquerade and the town (vampire version) that you are in. There are games that are better suited for full background.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only those who invited themselves. Such as you. You asked, unknowingly but you did.</p><p>But hey, you are the one with a weird interpretation of the rule. You are the one homebrewing gods into being able to give every single of their cleric any domain they want. This is clearly not the rule and even you admited that a nature cleric of Vecna is farfetched.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately yes. You are trying to make us see a reading of the rule of which you have to ignore everything else in the cleric and domain descriptions. We provided quotes. We've shown you the texts, pointed you everything and yet, you keep saying that your homebrew is RAW but it is not.</p><p></p><p>I gave you a bit of your own medicine by "graciously" let you into my games. The taste is bitter isn't it? As I do unto you what you do unto us. We pointed you the RAW and RAI but keep on insisting that your homebrew interpretation is the new RAW. Yes, taken out of the context, such a reading could be interpreted that way. But have to ignore everything else in not only the PHB but also in the DMG and all other splat book in which they add a domain. Because in all splat books where there is a new domain they list everygods that might have that domain available for their clerics! So yep, you are trying to force your view on others. But you do not see it that way.</p><p></p><p>And from now on, I will leave my campaign world at home. I think you've got enough. Can we now discuss the true RAW that gods do not have all domains available to their clerics?</p><p></p><p>Edit: And check the bolded parts. You are very inconsistent in your answers...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8436293, member: 6855114"] You invited yourself in my game. With a corrupted sheriff, you're either dead, or in jail and soon to be. Tough luck man. Sorry. Hey! I'm a generous man. What can I say. But being part of the region is usually mandatory. A region can be big. Or small. It would mean discussion with me and the other players. Ho the tyranny of the majority... According to you. But once the vote are cast. You and I have to abide. Why do you constest that I apply the votes and the rules? No you discovered that the Sheriff is corrupted. And he surely knows because he beat you. It will be either to a pulp or simply put you in jail and hang you next morning just to make a nice example of you. Point conceded here. But usually, this is not what we will see. Nope, you are the one trying to changing the cleric's rules. Not me. That you accept it or not has no bearing. I read the rules, and see that you are wrong. Wheter you agree or not in my game is of no consequence as everyone in my games sees this the same as I. You are the one with a weird interpretation. Tyranny of the majority again... [B]Nope, a suggestion is a suggestion. It can be ignored or acted upon. There is the Acolyte background, the text is relative fluff. Even you said that the tables are mere suggestions and that you can ignore them and write your own TIB if you so choose (and if the DM chooses to allow you to do it) Unless you no longer feel that way? [/B] Ho no, it is not run only at my table. But I am telling that apply rules. You just do not accept the rule that I use RAW and RAI in favor of your weird reading where a cleric of Vecna could choose nature because "I read it that way" no one can tell me the I am wrong because it is me. If you go to the book store. Do you expect to find a freezer and buy it there? Ho the Devils will go along your plan, make fine prints and exceptions and yaddi yadda. End point? They'll get your soul. Demons? Straight forward ask for it. No bargains, don't want it? Go away. Their philosophy is quite straigth forward and if they can't get your soul through a deal, they'll simply try to get it right here and now. [B]Wait???? Tables are not suggestion but you can and will ignore them. But a simple suggestion has more bearing than whole tables... You are very consistant in your approach. [/B] . Fortunately you did not. As your patron, I'd ask for your soul! (details details... but one can hope doesn't it?) If you want to talk about the game in general, why do you go with books other than what you are sure that everybody here has? Why do you bother defending a reading that do hold close scrutiny unless you ignore the whole text? Why do you ignore that under domain, you have gods listed as having these domains? Why do you ignore the Appendix B that tells you which gods have which domain(s)? Your reading only works in your game and only if you ignore zounds of text rules. Read again my friend a 4th level with pick locks. This is about what you would need to solo the sheriff and survive if caught. You are first level. You bribe with what? A single explosive runes on the lock and you're dead unless about 4th level. 200 gold is not that much for a sheriff. Yep. That I can understand. But as I said in another answer, the death rate ratio in the first three levels is pretty high in my games. Very high if you compare to a lot of tables. Doing such a long back story is a total waste of time and character creation is always with everyone at the table. Once the votes are done with, it takes about 20 minutes to get started on the adventure itself. Not a lot of time to write one. Unless you want to slow down everyone else. Not really. If we are in another system. Such as Vampire the Masquerade. The back story will be more than mandatory. Usually a few pages long and one part will be done by you and one part will done by me (more or less, see the following). You would have to take a bit of notes the second part of your background as I would tell you Who is your Sire. Why you think the embraced you. The life you have had with your Sire until your Sire released you. How your Sire presented you to the Prince and the vampire community and a bit about the Masquerade and the town (vampire version) that you are in. There are games that are better suited for full background. Only those who invited themselves. Such as you. You asked, unknowingly but you did. But hey, you are the one with a weird interpretation of the rule. You are the one homebrewing gods into being able to give every single of their cleric any domain they want. This is clearly not the rule and even you admited that a nature cleric of Vecna is farfetched. Unfortunately yes. You are trying to make us see a reading of the rule of which you have to ignore everything else in the cleric and domain descriptions. We provided quotes. We've shown you the texts, pointed you everything and yet, you keep saying that your homebrew is RAW but it is not. I gave you a bit of your own medicine by "graciously" let you into my games. The taste is bitter isn't it? As I do unto you what you do unto us. We pointed you the RAW and RAI but keep on insisting that your homebrew interpretation is the new RAW. Yes, taken out of the context, such a reading could be interpreted that way. But have to ignore everything else in not only the PHB but also in the DMG and all other splat book in which they add a domain. Because in all splat books where there is a new domain they list everygods that might have that domain available for their clerics! So yep, you are trying to force your view on others. But you do not see it that way. And from now on, I will leave my campaign world at home. I think you've got enough. Can we now discuss the true RAW that gods do not have all domains available to their clerics? Edit: And check the bolded parts. You are very inconsistent in your answers... [/QUOTE]
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