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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8436372" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, that's your version of a session zero? Kill a character off before level 1 because you don't like it. Wonder where I could have possibly gotten the idea that you are controlling from?Why must I be from the same region as everyone else? That seems like an unnecessary restriction that does nothing except control what character's people are allowed to make.Well, when I asked "who decided that" you said "me". That isn't a group vote, that is you declaring that the decision was made by yourself. So, you either lied, or you have no idea what you are talking about. And I contest the votes, because I don't remember voting for anything. I do remember you telling me that the votes of the group were against me, which is strange since I never voted for anything and never discussed things with these other voters. I have nothing but your word that all the votes are going against my ideas, ideas that you called ludicrious and impossible before you started hiding behind this smoke screen of "votes"And again you add details that I never once stated. I said I was beaten by a corrupt sheriff. Since when did I say that I discovered he was corrupt? Maybe it is common knowledge that he is corrupt. Maybe he did beat me and then stab me, but I survived. You said you'd give someone three 15+ rolls, I use them on the death saves. Oh wait, I bet that its impossible that everyone in the village would know the sheriff is corrupt, because you just decided that the noble in charge of the region woulnd't stand for it. And the sheriff would stab me TWICE to kill me, so I'm dead anyways because clearly my idea is absurd, not that it is, you know, you just forcing it not work no matter what  I say. After all, you had a vote that I never participated in, so you know that I'm always going to be voted wrong.I disagree that picking your own domain is in anyway changing the cleric's rules.Well, I read the rules and see that you are wrong. Whether you agree or not in my game is of no consequence as everyone in my games sees this the same as I. Tyranny of the Majority, right?You seem to be confused as to who gets to decide what. You said it was impossible to be a reformed cultist because the option doesn't exist. I demonstrated that it does exist, it is in the text. Therefore, as a player, I get to decide if I want to take the suggestion for my character or not. You then said that I am required to roll on the suggested tables and forced to take the results of those rolls. However, as a player, I get to decide whether I want to take those suggestions for my character or not. There is no contradiction in my position here.I have been looking for an explanation for why I can't take the nature domain as a cleric of Vecna, to demonstrate a person who is part of a cult of Vecna focused on the secrets of nature. The answers I have gotten are... because you can't. Using a reading of the rules that unnecessarily limits choices in a way that doesn't even make sense within the rules, as we have shown REPEATEDLY that these domains are suggestions, and that they are just the closest people could get in some cases, or otherwise bizarre. If your entire rebuttal is "because you can't" then if I do, then you have no rebuttal.Who says fiends are like a bookstore? If I go to Wal-Mart I can find books and freezers and shoes and food. I have made plenty of characters who made deals not involving in their souls. There is no reason I cannot, except that you refuse to accept it and are forcing your vision of what is allowed on my concepts.Honestly, this is getting to the point where I am thinking I must reconsider my policy of trying to meet people halfway and accept their premises, because all it has led to is you making assumptions and trying to enforce a vision of the game that has nothing to do with the rules or the way that it is played at any table I have ever been to.As I previously demonstrated, yes, I am consistent in my approach. I have ignored nothing. I know that you do have access to the materials we have been discussing, as I showed before. So, I find all of this to be groundlessSo, I want to take a moment and just appreciate how utterly shameless you are. My original statement: My character was beaten by a corrupt sheriff and escaped his home village. The Situation that you have created: I discovered that the sheriff was corrupt and to silence me he beat me and threw me in jail. The jail is enchanted against magic, the cells are reinforced to hold pixies, the lock is enchanted with a 3rd level spell to explode if anything other than the appropriate key in placed in it. This trap alone costs 200 gp, which is double the daily running cost of a small castle, and ignores the costs of hiring a 5th level wizard to cast it. The sheriff is rich enough to afford this without any issues. My character must survive the beating, survive the exploding jail cell, and be capable of fighting the sheriff in a solo fight to the death to be allowed to have escaped.The level 4 requirement is literally only to have the hp to survive a trap I never mentioned and never considered. Because in terms of skill modifers, there is no difference between a level 1 character and a level 4 character. I can clearly see why this is impossible, I just would argue that I'm not the one who made it so, since I didn't assume a sheriff with the funds and access to magic of a mid-tier noble, and a jail at all, let alone one magically trapped and reinforced to prevent any and all escape. It truly makes me wonder what marvels must be in the jails of a noble, if a small peasant village has hundreds of gold sunk into their jails.So character's die too quickly to matter. Might explain why you refuse to let someone actually care about their own character at level 1, and instead enforce all these bizzare rules. Then again, when village jails have exploding traps and the local sheriff has the political and martial might of a mid-tier noble, it is little wonder that low-level characters die in droves. I'd say you are safer out in the wilderness, but I'm sure you have roving gangs of dragons who attack the 1st level characters for their copper coins.I'm not familiar with Vampire the Masquerade, but I would have to say that if the rules enforce the GM telling the players why they think something, then I have no interest in the game. You have fun writing your book, it is an enjoyable experience, but not when you aren't the authorI also challenge your assertion that there are games more suited to a full background, as in the last seven years I have had great joy in crafting backgrounds for DnD characters, and have found death to be a rarity. Then again, I've already seen why your games seem to be so deadly.Ah, so you were just wasting everyone's time with theater. Well, I'm sure you had a good laugh, but since you never actually bothered to address my points, then it seems that you wasted your own time as well.</blockquote>

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