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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8437905" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Wow... lots of numbers, all wrong unfortunately.</p><p>1) Prices for in the PHB are for players only. This is to avoid a barter fest with each transaction. I can see why you assume that between NPCs it would be so. But it was not generaly the case.</p><p>2) Historicaly, specialist were paying their due with services (otherwise they might migrate to a rival barony/country or whatever). The materials were paid by the "crown" but the actual work was free.</p><p></p><p>3) Yes knights were costly to maintain. And guess what? So were soldiers. All their basic expanses were paid for. But the wonder of the medieval system was that many knights were themselves, product to be leased (free of charge) to the king. So were armies. A lord would pay for his army and part of that army would work for the Count, then the Duke, then the King and so on. The knights/soldiers will not get paid for each weapon swings/arrows fired. The same will be assumed for casters. This is only logical.</p><p></p><p>So the caster will see his material expenses paid for the spell by the "crown", but not the actual casting. This will be a service provide either for taxes, or for priviledge. A caster might well be asked to work for the "crown" 12 days per years. This will enable a "recast" should a spell be triggered.</p><p>Cold will not affect the cells.</p><p>Spells that will deal necrotic damage: Inflict wounds (some casters can be clerics you know and an upcast is always possible), Blight for Arcane casters (nothing prevents the caster to be a bit higher). And we could add even more, but you see the point. </p><p></p><p>Also, the spell would not destroy a cell, damage yes, but it could quickly be repaired with a simple mending or even stone shape.</p><p></p><p>You might see this a forced labor and in a modern point of view, you would be right. But imagine yourself in a country where monsters, and evil countries exists and you will see it differently. This becomes a matter of survival as doing such minimal work for the crown also enhance your own security. Who knows? the spell you cast for your king might prevent a spy from a rival evil empire (and this time, it might not be a perceived evil, but a true one. Iuz comes to mind here).</p><p></p><p>And you might add:" But the caster will have less spells to defend himself!" Well both yes and no. The lord would and will provide guards to protect the caster while working for him/her. That's at least what any sensible lord would do. </p><p></p><p>Also, wizard accademies (especially war wizard ones) would work exclusively for the king. This means that they are expensive, yes, but such an accademy will provide such services for almost free (the basic cost of the spell, nothing more) all year round! Temples will also provide such services for free (save the costs of the spell itself) just to keep the right to stay in the country, or to be the official state religion, or simply to avoid taxation of their own property. And again, the service will be seem by lawful churches as a necessary cost/work/service to ensure that Law is upheld and thus furthering the goals of their ethos.</p><p></p><p>And for a barony, the court wizard will do these services year round for absolutely free! Well, the wizard will need the material components, but these will be already provided by the baron/count/duke or whatever. Even the local church will be put to contribution if the local priest is high enough.</p><p></p><p>And again, you are entirely free to do it the way you do it. But that does not invalidate my point by one iota. I encourage you to check BECMI cyclopedia for the rules of services in it. The old DMG 1ed also had some good notes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8437905, member: 6855114"] Wow... lots of numbers, all wrong unfortunately. 1) Prices for in the PHB are for players only. This is to avoid a barter fest with each transaction. I can see why you assume that between NPCs it would be so. But it was not generaly the case. 2) Historicaly, specialist were paying their due with services (otherwise they might migrate to a rival barony/country or whatever). The materials were paid by the "crown" but the actual work was free. 3) Yes knights were costly to maintain. And guess what? So were soldiers. All their basic expanses were paid for. But the wonder of the medieval system was that many knights were themselves, product to be leased (free of charge) to the king. So were armies. A lord would pay for his army and part of that army would work for the Count, then the Duke, then the King and so on. The knights/soldiers will not get paid for each weapon swings/arrows fired. The same will be assumed for casters. This is only logical. So the caster will see his material expenses paid for the spell by the "crown", but not the actual casting. This will be a service provide either for taxes, or for priviledge. A caster might well be asked to work for the "crown" 12 days per years. This will enable a "recast" should a spell be triggered. Cold will not affect the cells. Spells that will deal necrotic damage: Inflict wounds (some casters can be clerics you know and an upcast is always possible), Blight for Arcane casters (nothing prevents the caster to be a bit higher). And we could add even more, but you see the point. Also, the spell would not destroy a cell, damage yes, but it could quickly be repaired with a simple mending or even stone shape. You might see this a forced labor and in a modern point of view, you would be right. But imagine yourself in a country where monsters, and evil countries exists and you will see it differently. This becomes a matter of survival as doing such minimal work for the crown also enhance your own security. Who knows? the spell you cast for your king might prevent a spy from a rival evil empire (and this time, it might not be a perceived evil, but a true one. Iuz comes to mind here). And you might add:" But the caster will have less spells to defend himself!" Well both yes and no. The lord would and will provide guards to protect the caster while working for him/her. That's at least what any sensible lord would do. Also, wizard accademies (especially war wizard ones) would work exclusively for the king. This means that they are expensive, yes, but such an accademy will provide such services for almost free (the basic cost of the spell, nothing more) all year round! Temples will also provide such services for free (save the costs of the spell itself) just to keep the right to stay in the country, or to be the official state religion, or simply to avoid taxation of their own property. And again, the service will be seem by lawful churches as a necessary cost/work/service to ensure that Law is upheld and thus furthering the goals of their ethos. And for a barony, the court wizard will do these services year round for absolutely free! Well, the wizard will need the material components, but these will be already provided by the baron/count/duke or whatever. Even the local church will be put to contribution if the local priest is high enough. And again, you are entirely free to do it the way you do it. But that does not invalidate my point by one iota. I encourage you to check BECMI cyclopedia for the rules of services in it. The old DMG 1ed also had some good notes. [/QUOTE]
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