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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8439802" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>1) For C02 extinguishers. You can get frost burn if somebody uses it too close to you. The safe distance is about 12 inches. At all time, avoid spraying the face as you could suffocate the person you are attempting to save. This is from the CSS course on firefighting services.</p><p>2) Some industrial extinguisher have liquid CO2. These are not you run of the mill extinguishers and might require two men to handle. (I know that those we have at our powerplant will not be easily moved by one man. These are to be used only on electrical fires and never on a person. The goal is here is to remove oxygen form the electrical sub/zone. At 14.5 KV, you do not want to get in there,in the even of a fire and not without protection even normal circumstances. </p><p>3) So yes, I do know how extinguishers works.</p><p></p><p>As for the rest..</p><p>Cold whether you like it or not is unlikely to harm a stone wall or an iron grate in the explosion caused by a cold rune. It takes a lot of time in nature for cold to destroy stone and it requires liquid water in the cracks. This is what we call erosion.</p><p></p><p>For Waterdeep is not D&D...</p><p>Tough luck, it is the default setting. Yes the village might not have the same legal system, but it is safe to assume something similar. And who knows? Waterdeep's influence extends far more than its mere walls. If you read carefuly there are many small villages that are defended by Waterdeep's patrols. A corrupt official, under Waterdeep's jurisdiction (or any big government or organisation) would ensure that you would not even get to jail in the first place. Especially if he got his hands on you and beat you up.</p><p></p><p>As for my knowledge of how wealth and classism is disputed.</p><p>I will assume you were talking about medieval. My knowledge is quite fine (but can always be improved). So far, you have shown that you are the one that do not really know how it really worked out. You assume a superior noble would always get money from taxes where it was not the case. Yes, the taxman existed, yes lands were taxed by the acres but nobles had the choice off paying most of their taxes in goods and services. And sometimes, goods and services were all they could afford if times were rough. There were even taxes for owning and oven and chimney. This is why most medieval houses had one big room with the oven in the middle and the chimney. Having more than one chimney for heat alone in a house was consider a luxury that most could not afford.</p><p></p><p>And you may apply those prices in the PHB but again, these are prices PCs are expected to pay. This is not how a real economy would work. Adventurers pay higher prices simply because prices could change depending on if you are from the village or not. A simple customer comming from afar and unlikely to get back would be paying a bit higher (sometimes quite a bit) than the local that comes often. Prices in medieval times were haggled all the time until an agreement was reached. In modern times we lost this habit of haggling but it was quite alive and well and it lasted in occident until the industrial revolution. But do not take my words, make your research. You'll get the same results.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8439802, member: 6855114"] 1) For C02 extinguishers. You can get frost burn if somebody uses it too close to you. The safe distance is about 12 inches. At all time, avoid spraying the face as you could suffocate the person you are attempting to save. This is from the CSS course on firefighting services. 2) Some industrial extinguisher have liquid CO2. These are not you run of the mill extinguishers and might require two men to handle. (I know that those we have at our powerplant will not be easily moved by one man. These are to be used only on electrical fires and never on a person. The goal is here is to remove oxygen form the electrical sub/zone. At 14.5 KV, you do not want to get in there,in the even of a fire and not without protection even normal circumstances. 3) So yes, I do know how extinguishers works. As for the rest.. Cold whether you like it or not is unlikely to harm a stone wall or an iron grate in the explosion caused by a cold rune. It takes a lot of time in nature for cold to destroy stone and it requires liquid water in the cracks. This is what we call erosion. For Waterdeep is not D&D... Tough luck, it is the default setting. Yes the village might not have the same legal system, but it is safe to assume something similar. And who knows? Waterdeep's influence extends far more than its mere walls. If you read carefuly there are many small villages that are defended by Waterdeep's patrols. A corrupt official, under Waterdeep's jurisdiction (or any big government or organisation) would ensure that you would not even get to jail in the first place. Especially if he got his hands on you and beat you up. As for my knowledge of how wealth and classism is disputed. I will assume you were talking about medieval. My knowledge is quite fine (but can always be improved). So far, you have shown that you are the one that do not really know how it really worked out. You assume a superior noble would always get money from taxes where it was not the case. Yes, the taxman existed, yes lands were taxed by the acres but nobles had the choice off paying most of their taxes in goods and services. And sometimes, goods and services were all they could afford if times were rough. There were even taxes for owning and oven and chimney. This is why most medieval houses had one big room with the oven in the middle and the chimney. Having more than one chimney for heat alone in a house was consider a luxury that most could not afford. And you may apply those prices in the PHB but again, these are prices PCs are expected to pay. This is not how a real economy would work. Adventurers pay higher prices simply because prices could change depending on if you are from the village or not. A simple customer comming from afar and unlikely to get back would be paying a bit higher (sometimes quite a bit) than the local that comes often. Prices in medieval times were haggled all the time until an agreement was reached. In modern times we lost this habit of haggling but it was quite alive and well and it lasted in occident until the industrial revolution. But do not take my words, make your research. You'll get the same results. [/QUOTE]
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