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<blockquote data-quote="houser2112" data-source="post: 7460592" data-attributes="member: 664"><p>Considering the vast majority of them probably switched to Pathfinder, and how Pathfinder is the main competitor to 5E for the mantle of "most popular edition of D&D right now", you're absolutely right.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe it did. I can't dispute that, except to say it didn't "win over" this 3E diehard. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>3E adherents were enraged by 4E because they didn't have Pathfinder yet, and they were worried about losing support for their game. They have Pathfinder now, so they don't need D&D anymore.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's similar since it retains the d20 resolution mechanic, but it massively changed the skill and proficiency system. Feats and multiclassing are probably the biggest departure in 5E, though. Ability score requirements (from the initial class, no less) to even think about taking another class, not getting all of the features from the additional class, feats being a class feature instead of a character feature, and feats sharing a "character building resource" with ASIs being huge changes to those systems.</p><p></p><p>I was calling the character building system anemic because there are so few ways to differentiate a character mechanically, not because WotC hasn't published enough crunch. The latter can be fixed with more content being published (whether that be 1st or 3rd party).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="houser2112, post: 7460592, member: 664"] Considering the vast majority of them probably switched to Pathfinder, and how Pathfinder is the main competitor to 5E for the mantle of "most popular edition of D&D right now", you're absolutely right. Maybe it did. I can't dispute that, except to say it didn't "win over" this 3E diehard. :) 3E adherents were enraged by 4E because they didn't have Pathfinder yet, and they were worried about losing support for their game. They have Pathfinder now, so they don't need D&D anymore. It's similar since it retains the d20 resolution mechanic, but it massively changed the skill and proficiency system. Feats and multiclassing are probably the biggest departure in 5E, though. Ability score requirements (from the initial class, no less) to even think about taking another class, not getting all of the features from the additional class, feats being a class feature instead of a character feature, and feats sharing a "character building resource" with ASIs being huge changes to those systems. I was calling the character building system anemic because there are so few ways to differentiate a character mechanically, not because WotC hasn't published enough crunch. The latter can be fixed with more content being published (whether that be 1st or 3rd party). [/QUOTE]
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