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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7462828" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>You are the one that doesn't seem to want to hear. These are the facts about 3e with regard to caster vs. non-caster, at least with regards to this discussion. 1. there is a significant power disparity between the two in favor of casters. 2. casters are more effective than non-casters. That's it. Them's the facts. There is no objective point at which non-casters become ineffective. That idea is purely subjective and if you feel that non-casters are ineffective, that's your personal issue, not mine. I've played 3e non-casters to 20th level and not once was I ever ineffective. Depending on the build I was more or less effective, but never ineffective. Nothing you say can change that. It's a simple fact that I wasn't ineffective.</p><p></p><p>I also reject your Appeal to Authority. Your being a game designer doesn't suddenly make my PCs ineffective. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. I absolutely get that the power disparity shrank with 4e. It did not, however, spell the doom of 3.x based systems. Pathfinder did very well as a 3.x based system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7462828, member: 23751"] You are the one that doesn't seem to want to hear. These are the facts about 3e with regard to caster vs. non-caster, at least with regards to this discussion. 1. there is a significant power disparity between the two in favor of casters. 2. casters are more effective than non-casters. That's it. Them's the facts. There is no objective point at which non-casters become ineffective. That idea is purely subjective and if you feel that non-casters are ineffective, that's your personal issue, not mine. I've played 3e non-casters to 20th level and not once was I ever ineffective. Depending on the build I was more or less effective, but never ineffective. Nothing you say can change that. It's a simple fact that I wasn't ineffective. I also reject your Appeal to Authority. Your being a game designer doesn't suddenly make my PCs ineffective. Yes. I absolutely get that the power disparity shrank with 4e. It did not, however, spell the doom of 3.x based systems. Pathfinder did very well as a 3.x based system. [/QUOTE]
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