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<blockquote data-quote="Volund" data-source="post: 7485372" data-attributes="member: 6872597">At third level I would add, &quot;You can sneak attack with weapons that have the thrown property.&quot; Jeremy Crawford has <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/968364391669338112?lang=en" target="_blank">tweeted</a> that throwing a melee weapon does not turn it into a ranged weapon, so without this change, your strength rogue will not be able to SA with any of the non-finesse simple melee weapons with the thrown property. Your 3rd level ability as written will cover thrown martial melee weapons (trident) but not simple melee weapons. From personal experience, one of the sucky things about playing a str rogue is when your DM won't let you SA with a hand axe, javelin, or spear, so your choices are using a bow with your lower dex or throwing a dagger. I think the extra weapon damage on a SA and substituting str for dex for AC are too much. Opening up SA to one-handed martial weapons is good enough, but if you have to add more dmg then maybe let the ruffian use SA with weapons that have the versatile property. For AC I would grant proficiency with med armor. A str rogue still probably wants a dex of at least 14 for initiative, saves, skills, and thieves' tools so this would be roughly equal to adding str to light armor. I like what you are doing with intimidation and str but at 13th level you are devoting a high-level ability to a skill check that might not come up very often. Instead at 13th level I would give the ruffian a menacing attack, similar to the battle master maneuver, that triggers on a successful SA. Can be used a number of times equal to str mod, recharging on a short rest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Volund, post: 7485372, member: 6872597"] At third level I would add, "You can sneak attack with weapons that have the [I]thrown[/I] property." Jeremy Crawford has [URL="https://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/968364391669338112?lang=en"]tweeted[/URL] that throwing a melee weapon does not turn it into a ranged weapon, so without this change, your strength rogue will not be able to SA with any of the non-finesse simple melee weapons with the thrown property. Your 3rd level ability as written will cover thrown martial melee weapons (trident) but not simple melee weapons. From personal experience, one of the sucky things about playing a str rogue is when your DM won't let you SA with a hand axe, javelin, or spear, so your choices are using a bow with your lower dex or throwing a dagger. I think the extra weapon damage on a SA and substituting str for dex for AC are too much. Opening up SA to one-handed martial weapons is good enough, but if you have to add more dmg then maybe let the ruffian use SA with weapons that have the versatile property. For AC I would grant proficiency with med armor. A str rogue still probably wants a dex of at least 14 for initiative, saves, skills, and thieves' tools so this would be roughly equal to adding str to light armor. I like what you are doing with intimidation and str but at 13th level you are devoting a high-level ability to a skill check that might not come up very often. Instead at 13th level I would give the ruffian a menacing attack, similar to the battle master maneuver, that triggers on a successful SA. Can be used a number of times equal to str mod, recharging on a short rest. [/QUOTE]

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