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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 4878448" data-attributes="member: 80487">If one has made up one's mind that "modeling reality" is The Rule, then it is obscure to me why it should matter whether the other contender is a book, a referee or a quorum of players. The others might or might not be concerned with reality simulation, and even sharing that concern might not share one's assessment.The fundamental question is whether one is willing to accept the rules of the game, whatever they may be."It wasn't like the 2 or 3 hour arguments we used to have ..." is sheer madness to me, what confounds my understanding. I once went with a friend to join a Rolemaster group. We stood around for some minutes watching an argument over the load-bearing capacity of a mule ... and then exchanged a glance and without a word walked out. Now, RM is not my cup of tea to GM, and other experiences suggested to me that it might attract an unusual share of rules lawyers -- but such a spectacle was utterly unprecedented in the sessions my friend moderated! (He could run Aftermath as smoothly as any RPG has been run by anyone in my experience. I did not need to learn the mechanical aspects to play my character.)</blockquote>