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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3687585" data-attributes="member: 11586">Yet, after years of 3.5 being out, they had no problem coming up with WRT which essentially does the same thing as 3.0 Haste.  Well, not really.  It is sigficantly weaker than 3.0 Haste, which is why I think it is fine.My arguement isn't with 3.0 Haste though.  I don't care if they changed it or not in 3.5.  I have no arguements one way or the other regarding 3.0 Haste.  I play the latest version of the spell since it is the latest version and I like to avoid house ruling as much as possible.  I play the latest version of Tome of Battle to.  Should WRT be changed, fine.  Since it hasn't been, I don't see the problem with it.Why did they introdice Swift action spells?  Sudden Quicken?  Sudden Quicken SLA?  WRT?  Obviously they are trying to give ways to cast 2 spells in the same round should you choose to do so.Well, the designers obviously had a problem with 3.0 Haste.  And they obviously didn't have a problem with WRT (at least not yet, they haven't done errata on it as far as I know).  That much I can certainly recognize.To cast 6 spells, it would take 4 rounds (assuming only 1 person with WRT).  Round 1 is 2 spells, round 2 is 1 spell (total: 3 - have to refresh WRT), Round 3 is 2 spells (total: 5), and Round 4 is 1 spells (total: 6 - have to refresh WRT).And again, this is an arbitrary arguement as the factors will always change and be different.  What are the other party members doing?  Perhaps they drop the BBEG before round 3?  Perhaps the caster (and target of WRT) is not in a position to cast, or his spells are resisted, or he rolls poorly.Give the best case scenario, the battle will go quickly in the party's favor.  Given the worst case scenario, it will take longer than expected to end the encounter (or the party could die).  And then we have all the other scenarios in between that effect combat.  So it's great and all if you want to give your example of casting x spells in half the time, and it looks great on paper (or a message board), but in practice, in a real game, hardly does it work out the way you suggest.I am not argueing about 3.0 Haste.  So how can I be wrong about something I am not arguing about?   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />   And furthermore, I did not realize that opinions could be wrong.  Can you please explain to me how my personal opinion on a topic can be wrong?  I think vanilla is better than chocolate as well, care to refute that as well?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

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