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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 4775911" data-attributes="member: 12731">Well, issues I want addressed in this thread include things like Wandering Monsters tables.If the party stumbles into a high level area, they might be clued into this by all random encounters being several levels above their own. Any single such encounter is still winnable, but the players should realize their resources will be taxed to a dangerous limit if they persist.Now, the problem arises because, apparently, you can't have those initial high-level encounters in 4th Ed without a dangerous risk of grind - the game isn't designed for it (even less so than 3E). In other words, you can't put the message (&quot;Here be high-level dragons!&quot;) across without involving grind. Or can you?In essence, the question is this:What advice do you have when circumstances dictate that high-level monsters do in fact be the order of the day?Stalker0 gives the sound advice to avoid high-level monsters - but what happens when you can't (or won't) follow this advice. How do you avoid grind then? Or, perhaps more to the point, can you avoid the grind then? In other words;Is it possible to have higher-than-appropriate encounters in 4E without being punished by grind, and if so, how? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 4775911, member: 12731"] Well, issues I want addressed in this thread include things like Wandering Monsters tables. If the party stumbles into a high level area, they might be clued into this by all random encounters being several levels above their own. Any single such encounter is still winnable, but the players should realize their resources will be taxed to a dangerous limit if they persist. Now, the problem arises because, apparently, you can't have those initial high-level encounters in 4th Ed without a dangerous risk of grind - the game isn't designed for it (even less so than 3E). In other words, you can't put the message ("Here be high-level dragons!") across without involving grind. Or can you? In essence, the question is this: What advice do you have when circumstances dictate that high-level monsters do in fact be the order of the day? Stalker0 gives the sound advice to avoid high-level monsters - but what happens when you can't (or won't) follow this advice. How do you avoid grind then? Or, perhaps more to the point, [B]can[/B] you avoid the grind then? In other words; [I][SIZE="3"]Is it possible to have higher-than-appropriate encounters in 4E without being punished by grind, and if so, how?[/SIZE][/I] :) [/QUOTE]

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