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<blockquote data-quote="Wrath of the Swarm" data-source="post: 1487203" data-attributes="member: 16402"><p>Is there a discussion thread for this game? I'd prefer not to mess up this one further than I already have.</p><p></p><p> Have you ever read Penrose's works on the subject? I have - and they aren't pretty. The man is a genius, but he's a genius who's fixated on a remarkably poor argument and can't be pried away from it. And relating quantum mechanics and cognitive functions is poor reasoning, at best. (Speaking as a former physics student who became a cognitive psychologist - I do <em>not</em> take kindly to attempts to bypass logical restrictions on the nature of human thought, which is really what those people are trying to do.)</p><p></p><p>Postulating immaterial things is all likelihood isn't even conceptually coherent - if we accept the premise, information theory forces us to acknowledge that the model is indistinguishable from one in which material things simply have certain properties. Then the question of why the interactions in question haven't been detected in physics yet arises. Not to mention the problem of how this hypothetical mind manages to become linked with the biological computer of the brain... well, let's just say that things get messy very, very quickly.</p><p></p><p>Blindsight is usually interpreted as involving vibration and air currents, at least with humans. In D&D settings, it doesn't permit people to sense through walls. Eh, it's your game.</p><p></p><p> Who said anything about <em>real</em> science? But even fictional science has certain limits. Violate those limits, and it's just technomagic, and implausible technomagic at that.</p><p></p><p>I'm picky enough to have tried to work out how FTL works in <em>Joss Whedon's Firefly</em>... so things like Portable Windows and Disintegrators make me itch.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wrath of the Swarm, post: 1487203, member: 16402"] Is there a discussion thread for this game? I'd prefer not to mess up this one further than I already have. Have you ever read Penrose's works on the subject? I have - and they aren't pretty. The man is a genius, but he's a genius who's fixated on a remarkably poor argument and can't be pried away from it. And relating quantum mechanics and cognitive functions is poor reasoning, at best. (Speaking as a former physics student who became a cognitive psychologist - I do [i]not[/i] take kindly to attempts to bypass logical restrictions on the nature of human thought, which is really what those people are trying to do.) Postulating immaterial things is all likelihood isn't even conceptually coherent - if we accept the premise, information theory forces us to acknowledge that the model is indistinguishable from one in which material things simply have certain properties. Then the question of why the interactions in question haven't been detected in physics yet arises. Not to mention the problem of how this hypothetical mind manages to become linked with the biological computer of the brain... well, let's just say that things get messy very, very quickly. Blindsight is usually interpreted as involving vibration and air currents, at least with humans. In D&D settings, it doesn't permit people to sense through walls. Eh, it's your game. Who said anything about [i]real[/i] science? But even fictional science has certain limits. Violate those limits, and it's just technomagic, and implausible technomagic at that. I'm picky enough to have tried to work out how FTL works in [i]Joss Whedon's Firefly[/i]... so things like Portable Windows and Disintegrators make me itch. [/QUOTE]
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