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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8649620" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Not really. With two-handed polearms there is no cheese, obviously, and with staves and spears you can use them with one hand and still twirl them to attack with both ends--so, no cheese at all.The Achilles vs. Hector fight in the movie Troy shows this very well IMO.[MEDIA=youtube]RMbndVALIlw[/MEDIA]If you haven't seen it, watch Achilles attacking at 1:18. He uses a spear and shield, and spins the butt end of the spear around to attack as well as thrusting with the spear tip.Many martial arts show quarterstaffs being used one-handed and spun to strike with the non-dominant end.EDIT: I will comment however, that the butt-end attack should just be d4 without ability modifier to damage IMO unless the PC is using it two-handed and has the TWF style. I know JC ruled you are supposed to add STR (or DEX for monks) to the d4, but definitely used one-handed for such maneuvers I don't feel you can get the leverage really for the bonus damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8649620, member: 6987520"] Not really. With two-handed polearms there is no cheese, obviously, and with staves and spears you can use them with one hand and still twirl them to attack with both ends--so, no cheese at all. The Achilles vs. Hector fight in the movie Troy shows this very well IMO. [MEDIA=youtube]RMbndVALIlw[/MEDIA] If you haven't seen it, watch Achilles attacking at 1:18. He uses a spear and shield, and spins the butt end of the spear around to attack as well as thrusting with the spear tip. Many martial arts show quarterstaffs being used one-handed and spun to strike with the non-dominant end. EDIT: I will comment however, that the butt-end attack should just be d4 without ability modifier to damage IMO [I]unless[/I] the PC is using it two-handed and has the TWF style. I know JC ruled you are supposed to add STR (or DEX for monks) to the d4, but definitely used one-handed for such maneuvers I don't feel you can get the leverage really for the bonus damage. [/QUOTE]

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