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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8650148" data-attributes="member: 6987520">First, thanks for your analysis, it was interesting to read. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But to address a few points:There is historical evidence showing about how shields were used offensively, so I would not call attacking with your shield &quot;foolish&quot;. Perhaps in the way they did it in the video, maybe, but shields certainly could be and were used offensively.I think it was more about demonstrating Achilles' power and it forced Hector off balance. And although Achilles may appear wide open, his skill is so superior he would dodge any counter-attack, so also feels confident to attack with his shield and leave himself &quot;open&quot;.If you watch this part carefully you'll see Hector raises his shield to meet the spear strike, not Achilles simply thrusting into Hector's shield. His defense is out of position because the attack might be unorthodox. This sort of &quot;death from above&quot; strike was used by Achilles early in the movie and appears to be a signature move. Again, Hector staggers back from the force of Achilles' strike. It also seems Hector is being more defensive because he is weary of Achilles' skill.At 1:19 as they were standing Hector did try to stab Achilles, who dodged the attack...Agreed, they are entertaining! I think part of this scene is also taking into account the combatants. Achilles is a demi-god, a legend of legends. And although Hector is a legend and hero in his own way, it's obvious his ability is grossly inferior to Achilles.At any rate, the scene still does show how a spear or staff used one-handed could be used to make the bonus action attack with the butt-end of the weapon. I completely agree that such attack should not be &quot;very effective&quot; and keeping them to just a d4 with no ability modifier makes the most sense to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8650148, member: 6987520"] First, thanks for your analysis, it was interesting to read. :) But to address a few points: There is historical evidence showing about how shields were used offensively, so I would not call attacking with your shield "foolish". Perhaps in the way they did it in the video, maybe, but shields certainly could be and were used offensively. I think it was more about demonstrating Achilles' power and it forced Hector off balance. And although Achilles may [I]appear[/I] wide open, his skill is so superior he would dodge any counter-attack, so also feels confident to attack with his shield and leave himself "open". If you watch this part carefully you'll see Hector [I]raises[/I] his shield to meet the spear strike, not Achilles simply thrusting into Hector's shield. His defense is out of position because the attack might be unorthodox. This sort of "death from above" strike was used by Achilles early in the movie and appears to be a signature move. Again, Hector staggers back from the force of Achilles' strike. It also seems Hector is being more defensive because he is weary of Achilles' skill. At 1:19 as they were standing Hector [I]did[/I] try to stab Achilles, who dodged the attack... Agreed, they are entertaining! I think part of this scene is also taking into account the combatants. Achilles is a demi-god, a legend of legends. And although Hector is a legend and hero in his own way, it's obvious his ability is grossly inferior to Achilles. At any rate, the scene still does show how a spear or staff used one-handed could be used to make the bonus action attack with the butt-end of the weapon. I [I]completely[/I] agree that such attack should not be "very effective" and keeping them to just a d4 with no ability modifier makes the most sense to me. [/QUOTE]

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