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<blockquote data-quote="nharwell" data-source="post: 444054" data-attributes="member: 1099">According to the sage's &quot;clarifications&quot; you must have studied the creature for a day or fought it in combatTrue, the equipment choice is nice. But equipment alters to fit your form (if humanoid, giant, etc.) with Shapechange.&nbsp; Shapechange also gives you the &quot;type&quot; of the creature, and has no hit die cap.From the SRD description of the salamander:&quot;Heat (Ex): A salamander generates so much heat that its mere touch deals additional fire damage.&quot;and &quot;Fire Subtype (Ex): Fire immunity, double damage from cold except on a successful save.&quot;Nowhere does it mention anything about any other immunity to fire.&nbsp; If a shifter in salamander form generates that much heat but doesn't have any fire resistance, how can he NOT take damage.I have to disagree.&nbsp; Have you played a shifter or is your opinion based on how the class looks on paper? Having both played and run a shifter, I find the opposite to be true.&nbsp; The shifter makes a great support character; he can sometimes fill in for rogue or fighter.&nbsp; But given (1) the limitation on forms from the DM and (2) the fact that his best attacks are &quot;natural&quot; and thus unaugmented by most magic items, shifters never quite equal fighters in combat (as well they shouldn't!).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nharwell, post: 444054, member: 1099"] According to the sage's "clarifications" you must have studied the creature for a day or fought it in combat True, the equipment choice is nice. But equipment alters to fit your form (if humanoid, giant, etc.) with Shapechange. Shapechange also gives you the "type" of the creature, and has no hit die cap. From the SRD description of the salamander: "Heat (Ex): A salamander generates so much heat that its mere touch deals additional fire damage." and "Fire Subtype (Ex): Fire immunity, double damage from cold except on a successful save." Nowhere does it mention anything about any other immunity to fire. If a shifter in salamander form generates that much heat but doesn't have any fire resistance, how can he NOT take damage. I have to disagree. Have you played a shifter or is your opinion based on how the class looks on paper? Having both played and run a shifter, I find the opposite to be true. The shifter makes a great support character; he can sometimes fill in for rogue or fighter. But given (1) the limitation on forms from the DM and (2) the fact that his best attacks are "natural" and thus unaugmented by most magic items, shifters never quite equal fighters in combat (as well they shouldn't!). [/QUOTE]

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