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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7901970" data-attributes="member: 5142">Sorry. Tiring week, so I have not really had much opportunity to participate in the thread that I started. This summation points to the heart of the matter quite well. I will not deny that D&D 5e is overwhelmingly popular, which makes it profitable for 3rd Party Publishers, but it seems as if there are other systems out there that are trying to achieve what some homebrews and 3pp settings/supplements are trying to achieve, but more adroitly. That is one issue. And the other matter pertains to the tipping point of homebrew/designing with 5e where it either becomes another system entirely or exploring other systems becomes the best option. But that may require exploring (1) what "new things" or "new directions" are many extreme end 5e-based 3pp and homebrews trying to get 5e to achieve that were previously not possible, and (2) what are other systems out there with similar design goals and the like. You make some incredibly salient points, Celebrim. I do disagree with your opinion that the "world doesn't really need a brand new RPG system at this point," particularly given how Blades in the Dark (whether suitable for you or not) demonstrates that design space for novel TTRPG systems definitely exists. I would favor "practical" over "actually impossible." Is it actually impossible to use a screw driver to drive a nail into a wall? No, but it may not be the most suitable tool for the job, especially if one knows that they have a hammer nearby. Is it possible to use 5e to tell stories of high drama space cowboys? Sure, it's not actually impossible, but it may not be the most practical. Systems like Fate, Scum & Villainy, or even Dogs in the Vinyard may be more suitable. So would you consider the Cypher System as a reskinned D&D game? Sure, but that's also why I chose to entitle the thread "the Ship of Theseus," which entails a similar conundrum. We can't really measure when, and if, a ship with new boards becomes another ship, but the underlying question has preoccupied our interest for over two thousand years.</blockquote>

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