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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9098119" data-attributes="member: 7006">And your point is well-taken too.&nbsp; And I don't disagree that WotC and the DMG could make larger tables or go into more details about all of these things.But here's why I personally tend to bump up against those needs...1) It takes the onus off of the DM to actually learn how to do these things themselves because they can just default to checking rules and tables instead.&nbsp; Making them (to my mind) lazier DMs.&nbsp; Why learn to do something when you can just rely on the book and recite the book by rote?&nbsp; But at that point, why would a DM even be necessary at all?&nbsp; The players could just check the charts themselves, get their DCs, make their rolls, and move on.and 2) No matter how detailed any DMG or series of charts are made... while it will certainly help some more players, inevitably there will always be other DMs who will complain that the DMG and the charts STILL don't go far enough even then.&nbsp; So we end up right back where we started-- bunches of players constantly complaining the game sucks because it doesn't give them what they specifically want.I mean look at it this way-- the current Ability Checks section in the 5E14 PHB goes into some detail about how to run this subsystem.&nbsp; It didn't even have to be as detailed as it is-- it could have been written even shorter and with less rules and examples.&nbsp; But it was written as it was and for a goodly number of players?&nbsp; It's fine!&nbsp; It's just what they need!&nbsp; But of course it isn't good enough for many other players and they are constantly bemoaning the fact that the game isn't good because it only stopped where it did.But what if WotC goes a bit further in 5E24?&nbsp; Gives a larger chapter in the PHB and the DMG, with more charts and more examples and so forth?&nbsp; That will certainly help some of those players who bemoaned 5E14 and they will be pleased.&nbsp; But do any of us think it will satisfy ALL of them?&nbsp; I certainly don't.&nbsp; So what will happen is those other players will KEEP bemoaning the newer rules, constantly saying the game sucks and WotC sucks etc. etc. etc.&nbsp; And from all of us here on EN World for example... it will be just as though nothing has changed.&nbsp; The only difference will be the posters who are constantly complaining.And that's why I don't think WotC needs to even bother.&nbsp; Force ALL of us to learn how to do all these things ourselves.&nbsp; Make us all realize we don't have to be dependent on WotC and their books to play Dungeons &amp; Dragons.&nbsp; We have learned how to play it and run it ourselves on our own.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9098119, member: 7006"] And your point is well-taken too. And I don't disagree that WotC and the DMG could make larger tables or go into more details about all of these things. But here's why I personally tend to bump up against those needs... 1) It takes the onus off of the DM to actually learn how to do these things themselves because they can just default to checking rules and tables instead. Making them (to my mind) lazier DMs. Why learn to do something when you can just rely on the book and recite the book by rote? But at that point, why would a DM even be necessary at all? The players could just check the charts themselves, get their DCs, make their rolls, and move on. and 2) No matter how detailed any DMG or series of charts are made... while it will certainly help [I]some more[/I] players, inevitably there will always be [I]other[/I] DMs who will complain that the DMG and the charts STILL don't go far enough even then. So we end up right back where we started-- bunches of players constantly complaining the game sucks because it doesn't give them what they specifically want. I mean look at it this way-- the current Ability Checks section in the 5E14 PHB goes into some detail about how to run this subsystem. It didn't even have to be as detailed as it is-- it could have been written even shorter and with less rules and examples. But it was written as it was and for a goodly number of players? It's fine! It's just what they need! But of course it isn't good enough for many other players and they are constantly bemoaning the fact that the game isn't good because it only stopped where it did. But what if WotC goes a bit further in 5E24? Gives a larger chapter in the PHB and the DMG, with more charts and more examples and so forth? That will certainly help some of those players who bemoaned 5E14 and they will be pleased. But do any of us think it will satisfy ALL of them? I certainly don't. So what will happen is those other players will KEEP bemoaning the newer rules, constantly saying the game sucks and WotC sucks etc. etc. etc. And from all of us here on EN World for example... it will be just as though nothing has changed. The only difference will be the posters who are constantly complaining. And that's why I don't think WotC needs to even bother. Force ALL of us to learn how to do all these things ourselves. Make us all realize [I]we don't have to be dependent[/I] on WotC and their books to play Dungeons & Dragons. We have learned how to play it and run it ourselves on our own. [/QUOTE]

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