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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9098134" data-attributes="member: 7006">True.&nbsp; But I also personally believe a lot of DMs eventually realized they could do all those things anyway even without having a formulaic &quot;4 successes before 3 failures&quot; system.&nbsp; So I was never enamored with the Skill Challenge system and still aren't.Was it an interesting way to teach less experienced DMs about calling for checks and making decision on when to tell the players they were or weren't successful?&nbsp; Absolutely.&nbsp; So I'm not &quot;anti Skill Challenge' and would have no issues if the 5E24 DMG were to spend some page count going over them.But I also do believe it should be made clear that the DM could and can do everything that the Skill Challenge does on their own without requiring or being beholden to the &quot;X successes before 3 failure&quot; formula.&nbsp; Skill Challenges are just one of many different ways to learn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9098134, member: 7006"] True. But I also personally believe a lot of DMs eventually realized they could do all those things anyway even without having a formulaic "4 successes before 3 failures" system. So I was never enamored with the Skill Challenge system and still aren't. Was it an interesting way to teach less experienced DMs about calling for checks and making decision on when to tell the players they were or weren't successful? Absolutely. So I'm not "anti Skill Challenge' and would have no issues if the 5E24 DMG were to spend some page count going over them. But I also do believe it should be made clear that the DM could and can do everything that the Skill Challenge does on their own without requiring or being beholden to the "X successes before 3 failure" formula. Skill Challenges are just one of many different ways to learn. [/QUOTE]

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