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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9099090" data-attributes="member: 7006">I don't think I've said it specifically yet, but all of my examples should be taken with the grain of salt that is every situation is not a 100% always thing.&nbsp; In other words... the DM who continually put up gates and portculli that blocked passage was not being a purposeful jerk all the time by doing so (and in fact might not have even realized how often they were doing it and just thought it was good adventure design.)&nbsp; But if they did do it often enough that a player felt as though they wanted or needed to design their next character such that they could easily get past those blockades, that should be an indicator that they perhaps have gone to the well too often and should start thinking of new things.(This isn't directed at you specifically, Scott, but more of me just potificating generally)I'm of the opinion (and yes, it's purely my opinion) that any player who goes all-in on one specific thing to become the &quot;absolutely best&quot; at it... are doing it for one of two reasons.&nbsp; Either they want the narrative and story in the world to be that they are known as &quot;the greatest in the land&quot; or &quot;the ultimate gentleman&quot; etc... or they want to have the highest possible modifiers to their game mechanics so they can &quot;win&quot; every check the DM calls under that one specific thing.&nbsp; The former I think is a fun addition to the campaign world (as the player would then hopefully act in such a way as to exemplify that ideal), the latter is just removing a whole bunch of things from the table that the DM could use as story fodder because good story comes from conflict.&nbsp; And you can't have conflict with someone succeeding ALL the time.A PC with modifiers so high that they succeed on every roll all the time to me is as pointless as a 10th party who does nothing but face off against repeated packs of a half-dozen CR 1/2 monsters over and over again.&nbsp; There's no drama.&nbsp; There's virtually no point.&nbsp; At least that's my feelings on the matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9099090, member: 7006"] I don't think I've said it specifically yet, but all of my examples should be taken with the grain of salt that is every situation is not a 100% always thing. In other words... the DM who continually put up gates and portculli that blocked passage was not being a purposeful jerk all the time by doing so (and in fact might not have even realized how often they were doing it and just thought it was good adventure design.) But if they did do it often enough that a player felt as though they wanted or needed to design their next character such that they could easily get past those blockades, that should be an indicator that they perhaps have gone to the well too often and should start thinking of new things. (This isn't directed at you specifically, Scott, but more of me just potificating generally) I'm of the opinion (and yes, it's purely my opinion) that any player who goes all-in on one specific thing to become the "absolutely best" at it... are doing it for one of two reasons. Either they want the narrative and story in the world to be that they are known as "the greatest in the land" or "the ultimate gentleman" etc... or they want to have the highest possible modifiers to their game mechanics so they can "win" every check the DM calls under that one specific thing. The former I think is a fun addition to the campaign world (as the player would then hopefully act in such a way as to exemplify that ideal), the latter is just removing a whole bunch of things from the table that the DM could use as story fodder because good story comes from conflict. And you can't have conflict with someone succeeding ALL the time. A PC with modifiers so high that they succeed on every roll all the time to me is as pointless as a 10th party who does nothing but face off against repeated packs of a half-dozen CR 1/2 monsters over and over again. There's no drama. There's virtually no point. At least that's my feelings on the matter. [/QUOTE]

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