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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9105172" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Okay. I generally have an extremely dim opinion of this approach to game balance. Having nothing relevant to contribute in majorly important gameplay arenas is a very bad thing.Whereas I have not. In both older-school stuff (Labyrinth Lord, specifically) and newer-school stuff, I have both directly and indirectly seen even allegedly &quot;limited&quot; Wizards completely trounce adventures with just a handful of generically good spells (fly, haste, phantom steed; invisibility, rope trick, alter self; charm person, disguise self.)Well, I would have to reach back to 3e for some of the examples of my own play, as I don't play much 5e and don't really intend to play more. But I do see the way others describe it and shake my head at how horribly limited skills become in many others' hands, vs. how my experience with a different but related system did exactly the opposite, and made skills expansive, impactful, and almost always relevant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9105172, member: 6790260"] Okay. I generally have an extremely dim opinion of this approach to game balance. Having nothing relevant to contribute in majorly important gameplay arenas is a [I]very bad thing[/I]. Whereas I have not. In both older-school stuff (Labyrinth Lord, specifically) and newer-school stuff, I have both directly and indirectly seen even allegedly "limited" Wizards completely trounce adventures with just a handful of [I]generically[/I] good spells ([I]fly, haste, phantom steed[/I]; [I]invisibility, rope trick, alter self[/I]; [I]charm person, disguise self.[/I])[I][/I] Well, I would have to reach back to 3e for some of the examples of [I]my own[/I] play, as I don't play much 5e and don't really intend to play more. But I do see the way [I]others[/I] describe it and shake my head at how horribly limited skills become in many others' hands, vs. how my experience with a different but related system did exactly the opposite, and made skills expansive, impactful, and almost always relevant. [/QUOTE]

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