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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 5784954" data-attributes="member: 54707">Whereas it is true TJ that your Norse ancestors  had to conquer by force of arms any territories they took by war, but to take a  thing, and to hold a thing, are two very different things.  Once taken you need traders and architects and  builders and merchants and so forth. To actually run and operate a town,  province, or nation.  In addition you must have leaders, and  administrators, and Dukes, and Princes, and Knights, in holding an area who are  far more than just men-at-arms. They must be fair and capable and efficient  executives on a whole range of issues, and it is only natural for many places,  especially basically Feudal or near Feudal areas to look to strong and capable  and respected men not only to defend an area, but to organize and administer and  prosper it.  Your Norse ancestors would have been complete  failures at conquering and colonization had they not been good at many things  other than mere warfare. The Picts were good at guerilla warfare, but the Romans  were good at warfare and administration because they were organized. Able to be  good at far more than just conflict. This is why the Romans ruled a huge Empire,  and the Picts remained basically tribal fighters.  Even Vikings and Huns eventually settle in areas,  stop their roaming and raiding, become leaders, and administrators. Unless you  are killed in battle no one ever spends their entire life at war. You just can't  do it, age alone will suppress you. Even Beowulf sat the throne for years before  his last battle.  Men can and do though, as they rise in fame and  prominence, also gain notoriety in social status and reputation.  They advance at far more things that just the line  of battle. And that's my point, I'm hoping the game will allow adventure "paths"  (if you will) on a whole host of fields, not just the battlefield.  Though I understand your point, and hope it will  be true that DMs can modularly "add-in" any social status or kingdom management  rule set they like.  I guess what I'm asking is what would you, and  others, like to see in that regard? What you like to see something like the  AD&D suggestions, something similar to another system, something wholly  new?  What do others want to see in this  regard?</blockquote>

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