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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4089409" data-attributes="member: 4722">&quot;focus on focus it on one of the less effective things a Full caster can do&quot; &lt;-- huh?I'm not going with the full version of arcane burn (and I might even take it out entirely) - sorcerers would only take damage, not suffer the risk of spell slot loss. I'm curious: what did you think of the warlock as a class?That IS their role - blaster mage. The lack of versatility you cite above already pretty well strait-jackets them into that role; if you want to play a utility mage, you play a wizard. If you want someone who can pour out a whole lot of firepower, you play a sorcerer. That's why lots of groups have that house rule that gives sorcerers bonus metamagic feats - it fits them.What the bloodlines will do, though, is provide some variety from the &quot;blaster mage&quot; archetype. A fey line, for instance, is more focused on illusions and enchantments, with some healing tossed in. A fiend line is about summoning, evil spells, and fiery death; elementals are closest to the core. The point is that while they have a limited range of abilities, they are VERY good at what they do.Ah. I'm thinking the Chaos line would be the &quot;base&quot; sorcerer - they get bonus metamagic feats as their &quot;bloodline&quot; abilities, as Chaos allows them to twist and alter magic in strange ways.Minor stat bonuses wouldn't be bad, I think - a couple +1s, nothing major. But yeah, good point about the SLAs.One of the major abilities I've got for the fiend bloodline is summoning a fiendish creature (or a full fiend) from the summon monster tables.&quot;Elemental&quot; will be split up into its parts - I just listed that as one bloodline for simplicity's sake. A fire-blooded sorcerer, for instance, will gain the ability to set things alight, while a water-blooded will be able to swim and breathe underwater, and an air-blooded can fly for short durations.That's exactly it - they gain their ability through a gene passed down from a distant ancestor, or from magical influence (elemental bloodlines), or simply by random chance (Chaos), and the (major) powers are scaled with level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 4089409, member: 4722"] "focus on focus it on one of the less effective things a Full caster can do" <-- huh? I'm not going with the full version of arcane burn (and I might even take it out entirely) - sorcerers would only take damage, not suffer the risk of spell slot loss. I'm curious: what did you think of the warlock as a class? That IS their role - blaster mage. The lack of versatility you cite above already pretty well strait-jackets them into that role; if you want to play a utility mage, you play a wizard. If you want someone who can pour out a whole lot of firepower, you play a sorcerer. That's why lots of groups have that house rule that gives sorcerers bonus metamagic feats - it fits them. What the bloodlines will do, though, is provide some variety from the "blaster mage" archetype. A fey line, for instance, is more focused on illusions and enchantments, with some healing tossed in. A fiend line is about summoning, evil spells, and fiery death; elementals are closest to the core. The point is that while they have a limited range of abilities, they are VERY good at what they do. Ah. I'm thinking the Chaos line would be the "base" sorcerer - they get bonus metamagic feats as their "bloodline" abilities, as Chaos allows them to twist and alter magic in strange ways. Minor stat bonuses wouldn't be bad, I think - a couple +1s, nothing major. But yeah, good point about the SLAs. One of the major abilities I've got for the fiend bloodline is summoning a fiendish creature (or a full fiend) from the [I]summon monster[/I] tables. "Elemental" will be split up into its parts - I just listed that as one bloodline for simplicity's sake. A fire-blooded sorcerer, for instance, will gain the ability to set things alight, while a water-blooded will be able to swim and breathe underwater, and an air-blooded can fly for short durations. That's exactly it - they gain their ability through a gene passed down from a distant ancestor, or from magical influence (elemental bloodlines), or simply by random chance (Chaos), and the (major) powers are scaled with level. [/QUOTE]

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