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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3469238" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>Question. So, Strong Heroes have only 3 class skills besides Craft/Profession, and Tough Heroes have only 1 class skill besides Craft/Profession? Any particular reason they don't get anything else to represent at least how athletic they must be to get so strong or tough? I should think they deserve to at least both get all Strength- and Constitution-based skills, since they have so few.</p><p></p><p>Also: Do you use the Reputation bonus from D20M, or no?</p><p></p><p>Thirdly: Some of the basic classes are really weakened in your set-up, it seems. Depending on how much of the Talents' effects you kept from D20 Modern, the Fast or Tough Heroes may be a bit weaker than the Strong Hero (especially since offensive power is more useful than simply being a little more survivable; can't survive too long if it takes quite a while to gradually defeat your foe). They probably need a feat or two worth of extra power.</p><p></p><p>The Smart, Dedicated, and Charismatic Heroes are definitely too weak here. Smart definitely needs something along the lines of doubling its Bonus Feats or its Talents. Their greater skills only make up for their lower HP and their far inferior proficiencies, plus maybe a single point of their lost Base Attack Bonus; thus the need for several feats (or Talents) worth of extra power. Smart Heroes in D20 Modern are already kind of hard pressed to survive and contribute well in a battle (their Talents and their good compatability with the Field Scientist AdC, in D20 Modern, given its Smart Defense/Weapon/etc. abilities, are the only things really keeping them from being near-useless in combat). And you weakened their stats from D20M, it looks like (lower hit die, no defense bonus, and good reputation is one of the Smart's advantages in D20M).</p><p></p><p>The Dedicated just needs a few feats or Talents worth of extra boosting. Their reduced class skills and lack of the decent defense bonus they had in D20M hurts a bit more (they're one of the more flexible D20M classes skill-wise and sorta combat-wise, normally) than with some of the other classes. And you gimped the Charismatic about as much as the Smart, compared to how they are in D20M (lower hit points, lower skill points, fewer class skills, no defense bonus, no high reputation bonus probably). They'll need more boosting than the Dedicated, maybe as much as the Smart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3469238, member: 13966"] Question. So, Strong Heroes have only 3 class skills besides Craft/Profession, and Tough Heroes have only 1 class skill besides Craft/Profession? Any particular reason they don't get anything else to represent at least how athletic they must be to get so strong or tough? I should think they deserve to at least both get all Strength- and Constitution-based skills, since they have so few. Also: Do you use the Reputation bonus from D20M, or no? Thirdly: Some of the basic classes are really weakened in your set-up, it seems. Depending on how much of the Talents' effects you kept from D20 Modern, the Fast or Tough Heroes may be a bit weaker than the Strong Hero (especially since offensive power is more useful than simply being a little more survivable; can't survive too long if it takes quite a while to gradually defeat your foe). They probably need a feat or two worth of extra power. The Smart, Dedicated, and Charismatic Heroes are definitely too weak here. Smart definitely needs something along the lines of doubling its Bonus Feats or its Talents. Their greater skills only make up for their lower HP and their far inferior proficiencies, plus maybe a single point of their lost Base Attack Bonus; thus the need for several feats (or Talents) worth of extra power. Smart Heroes in D20 Modern are already kind of hard pressed to survive and contribute well in a battle (their Talents and their good compatability with the Field Scientist AdC, in D20 Modern, given its Smart Defense/Weapon/etc. abilities, are the only things really keeping them from being near-useless in combat). And you weakened their stats from D20M, it looks like (lower hit die, no defense bonus, and good reputation is one of the Smart's advantages in D20M). The Dedicated just needs a few feats or Talents worth of extra boosting. Their reduced class skills and lack of the decent defense bonus they had in D20M hurts a bit more (they're one of the more flexible D20M classes skill-wise and sorta combat-wise, normally) than with some of the other classes. And you gimped the Charismatic about as much as the Smart, compared to how they are in D20M (lower hit points, lower skill points, fewer class skills, no defense bonus, no high reputation bonus probably). They'll need more boosting than the Dedicated, maybe as much as the Smart. [/QUOTE]
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