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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 750184" data-attributes="member: 2167">Lets examine your response, since I really think you need to examine things more closely before shooting comments off the cuff.Aside from that – its not MY system, it is a published system by “AEG”.Originally posted by Eldorian  The inherent issue with ALL Point Systems is that it SEEMS to be a lot of spells and in effect, it can in fact be easily abused by casting a larger than normal number of  ANY level of spells, but it is always a lower number of overall spells when compared to the Core “Spell Slots Per Spell Level” system. It is just more flexible.Lets examine the 18th level Core Sorcerer.18th Level Core Sorcerer:Slots per day: 0: 6 / 1: 6 / 2: 6 / 3: 6 / 4: 6 / 5: 6 / 6: 6 / 7: 6 / 8: 5 / 9: 3Total Spells per day = 56Total Spell Levels cast per day =  235 + 6 CantripsLets compare that to the Spell Point System Sorcerer:If the 18th Level Spell Point Sorcerer attempted to cast the full Core Sorcerer’s 56 spells, At Minimum Caster Level – NOT EVEN at full effective caster level, it would cost them …423 SPELL POINTS!If the 18th Level Spell Point Sorcerer attempted to cast the full Core Sorcerer’s 56 spells, At Full Effective Caster Level, it would cost them … (assuming all 1st-3rd level spells are cast at a 10th level effective level and all 4th-9th level spells are cast at the full 18th Caster level – which is being very generous…)721 SPELL POINTS!18th Level SP Sorcerer:(PS: There are no SP bonuses for high stats. Your stat merely determines the maximum spell level you can cast and your Spell DC’s.)SP’s Per Day = 253Thus it is actually 14 9th level spells (253 SP / 17 per spell = 14.8).Ok … So what? The Sorcerer can cast 14 9th level spells (not many of which really have that much utility) and have 15 SP left over. That’s enough to cast a 10th Caster Level 3rd level spell for maximum effect (9 SP), and a 2nd level spell at 6th caster level (6 SP). Woo Hoo!That’s a whopping total of 16 Spells for the day versus the normal Sorcerer’s 56!!  They lose 40 Spells Per Day!I think that is a more than balanced trade-off, especially since ¾ or more of those 14 Wail of the Banshees could just as easily have been taken care of with lesser spells.Really??A Core Sorcerer only gets 3.  Real big loss there…Oh and another thing, your beloved Psion?  Gets the same “stupid” 2 1st level powers per day.From AEG’s Magic: “As a design note, characters using the spell point system cannot cast as many spells per day as spellcasters using the core magic system. However, a spellcaster’s increased efficiency compensates for this shortcoming. In theory, a spellcaster need never worry about wasting a slot on a useless spell.” For example a Sorcerer, under the original system having already used all their 3rd level spell slots, desperately needs to cast another Fly spell. To do so the Sorcerer has to burn a spell slot higher than 3rd level wasting a more powerful spell slot to cast a lower level spell.Ok, now lest examine the PSION versus the Sorcerer.An 18th Level Psion (assuming a key Ability of 19 and thus +32PP) has 179 Power Points.The Psion uses the same cost in PP as the AEG system for SP:SL.....Base0.......Special1.......12.......33.......54.......75.......96.......117.......138.......159.......17Special: 3/day for free. For all beyond the 1st 3 = 1 SP each.This means our 18th level Psion can cast 10 9th level spells per day with 9 points left over (either a 5th level, OR a 2nd and 3rd level, OR 3 2nd level, OR 9 1st level).Where is the Psion’s 10 9th level spells so much better than the Sorcerer’s 14 9th level spells – especially when the Sorcerer is supposed to be able to cast more than a Wizard/Psion to start with?   The Psion also has the HUGE advantage of being able to cast their powers at FULL CASTER LEVEL with no more expenditure of points.Say our 18th level Psion casts 10 9th level spells and then maximizes the number of spells per day by casting another 9 1st level  spells.  That’s 19 spells for the day.Our 18th level Sorcerer casts his 14 9th level spells and then tries to cast the rest of their spells as the most powerful caster level 1st level spells he can. With the remaining 15 SP they can get: 2 1st level spells: 1 @ 10th caster level (10 SP) and 1 @ 5th caster level (5 SP)or 3 1st level spells: all @ 5th caster level (5 SP each)That’s 17 spells for the day at MAX!   2 LESS than the PSION!So please….how is this spell point system for the Sorcerer so broken compared to the Psion?</blockquote>

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