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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 2038609" data-attributes="member: 5171"><p>Sort of. One part subject matter and one part execution. If I said, "There's this interesting movie -- it's about a bounty hunter who gets assigned one last assignment but feels conflicted as to whether he should carry it out," and then I added either "It's anime", "It's a French movie playing at the local independent theater," or "It was a big American summer blockbuster a few years back", most folks will come up with three slightly different pictures. Whether their assumptions are true for that particular movie is a matter of chance, but most of us here could come up with a stereotypical view of what kind of movie each of those would be, and how they'd be different. That's what I mean. The industry assumptions are in there, but so are the directorial choices -- a Japanese director of an anime feature thinks, "How can I convey the needed emotion here? What's a good way to show the power dynamic of their relationship?" and comes up with a different answer, generally speaking, from the answer that a French director comes up with, or the answer that a big U.S. director comes up with.</p><p></p><p>This is all general -- the directors of the Matrix are on record as saying that they were trying to make a movie that felt like live-action anime, which is sort of a conscious attempt to break the stereotypes I'm talking about -- but generally speaking, it holds, I think.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As to the latter, no argument. The average comic book is more than a little sexist. Even if the superheroine isn't weaker or dumber than the superhero, she's wearing a bikini. The notion that the guys are just as idealized and unrealistic as the gals is possibly true, but there's still a double standard going on there.</p><p></p><p>But as I said in my first post, I've grown up with that stuff, and learned to ignore it. It's harder for me to ignore the sexism in anime because the sexist tropes are different and new -- essentially, I haven't set up my ignore filter on anime cultural sexism yet, but I set it on American comics awhile ago.</p><p></p><p>As to the former (I haven't seen the right stuff), that's possibly true, but the only real exposure I've had has been people who like anime trying to get me to watch stuff and saying, "Dude, this is awesome, you have to watch it." If the anime-lovers are telling me to watch this stuff as the prime examples of the genre, and then it turns out to be drivel (or not drivel but not to my taste), that's going to give me certain baseline assumptions for the genre. I'd suggest that there needs to be a group of anime advocates advocating the good stuff. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Random side note: What's wrong with "Kim Possible"? KP is awesome. It's a show where the male and female lead are friends, it addresses at least the G-rated issues in a humorous way, the girls fight effectively while the guys are comic relief much of the time (KP and Shego as opposed to Drakken and Ron), and it has wonderful writing. I'd put Kim Possible up against, say, "Sailor Moon" as shows aimed at the same audience, and KP comes out worlds ahead as far as I can tell.</p><p></p><p>I don't love every episode, but then, I'm not a teenager, so it ain't really aimed at me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="takyris, post: 2038609, member: 5171"] Sort of. One part subject matter and one part execution. If I said, "There's this interesting movie -- it's about a bounty hunter who gets assigned one last assignment but feels conflicted as to whether he should carry it out," and then I added either "It's anime", "It's a French movie playing at the local independent theater," or "It was a big American summer blockbuster a few years back", most folks will come up with three slightly different pictures. Whether their assumptions are true for that particular movie is a matter of chance, but most of us here could come up with a stereotypical view of what kind of movie each of those would be, and how they'd be different. That's what I mean. The industry assumptions are in there, but so are the directorial choices -- a Japanese director of an anime feature thinks, "How can I convey the needed emotion here? What's a good way to show the power dynamic of their relationship?" and comes up with a different answer, generally speaking, from the answer that a French director comes up with, or the answer that a big U.S. director comes up with. This is all general -- the directors of the Matrix are on record as saying that they were trying to make a movie that felt like live-action anime, which is sort of a conscious attempt to break the stereotypes I'm talking about -- but generally speaking, it holds, I think. As to the latter, no argument. The average comic book is more than a little sexist. Even if the superheroine isn't weaker or dumber than the superhero, she's wearing a bikini. The notion that the guys are just as idealized and unrealistic as the gals is possibly true, but there's still a double standard going on there. But as I said in my first post, I've grown up with that stuff, and learned to ignore it. It's harder for me to ignore the sexism in anime because the sexist tropes are different and new -- essentially, I haven't set up my ignore filter on anime cultural sexism yet, but I set it on American comics awhile ago. As to the former (I haven't seen the right stuff), that's possibly true, but the only real exposure I've had has been people who like anime trying to get me to watch stuff and saying, "Dude, this is awesome, you have to watch it." If the anime-lovers are telling me to watch this stuff as the prime examples of the genre, and then it turns out to be drivel (or not drivel but not to my taste), that's going to give me certain baseline assumptions for the genre. I'd suggest that there needs to be a group of anime advocates advocating the good stuff. :) Random side note: What's wrong with "Kim Possible"? KP is awesome. It's a show where the male and female lead are friends, it addresses at least the G-rated issues in a humorous way, the girls fight effectively while the guys are comic relief much of the time (KP and Shego as opposed to Drakken and Ron), and it has wonderful writing. I'd put Kim Possible up against, say, "Sailor Moon" as shows aimed at the same audience, and KP comes out worlds ahead as far as I can tell. I don't love every episode, but then, I'm not a teenager, so it ain't really aimed at me. [/QUOTE]
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