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<blockquote data-quote="reanjr" data-source="post: 2043127" data-attributes="member: 20740"><p>I don't. I don't see much of a reason to do a serious animated movie when the same movie can be done with live action. I could see it being used as a niche market for inexpensive productions, but for mainstream movies, I think it would be a waste. A good example of where I see animation having a purpose is in the HBO series Spawn. HBO could not (at the time; they probably could now) have made that show live action. The expense would have been enormous. But making it an animated show brought it into the realm of possibility. With CG getting cheaper and cheaper every year, I think we'll see that animation has even lost that niche, leaving it only for the most fanciful of productions (a la children's television). Not to mention, after Sin City comes out we'll have that new fad of animation that will really drive the American animation market for the next half-decade. By the time it's over, CG will be even cheaper.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's many productions I would like to see like this, but the truth of the matter is, they would be economic disasters even at their lowered cost. Animated films lose something (unless we're talking top-notch CG like Shreck or something like Gollum) of the "actor"'s personalities. I just don't think you can get an American audience to come back to an animated show again and again. And like I said, CG is getting cheaper all the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, but I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Don't you have to have a serious animated series before you can have a strong, well-written female lead? There's nothing American about not having a strong, female lead (as you further state with examples like Aliens, Terminator, and mine, Alias). We just don't have serious animation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hot female leads draw attention. Good stories maintain that attention. Or you can just go completely unsubtle, like Baywatch, and make the most successful show in the world. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if good story was the problem with those movies. Because I never saw them, I don't know what the stories are. I don't know anyone who went to see them to find out if there was a good story, either. They were simply victims of poor marketing. They may be wonderful movies - or horrible ones; I just don't know. And the trailers didn't make me want to find out.</p><p></p><p>Not to mention, Elektra was a non-starter due to Ben Affleck's increasingly dull performances. Daredevil was just not that good (note, no mention of any kind of association between Daredevil and Elektra is made in the previews; but that doesn't fool the comic-book loving target audience).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reanjr, post: 2043127, member: 20740"] I don't. I don't see much of a reason to do a serious animated movie when the same movie can be done with live action. I could see it being used as a niche market for inexpensive productions, but for mainstream movies, I think it would be a waste. A good example of where I see animation having a purpose is in the HBO series Spawn. HBO could not (at the time; they probably could now) have made that show live action. The expense would have been enormous. But making it an animated show brought it into the realm of possibility. With CG getting cheaper and cheaper every year, I think we'll see that animation has even lost that niche, leaving it only for the most fanciful of productions (a la children's television). Not to mention, after Sin City comes out we'll have that new fad of animation that will really drive the American animation market for the next half-decade. By the time it's over, CG will be even cheaper. There's many productions I would like to see like this, but the truth of the matter is, they would be economic disasters even at their lowered cost. Animated films lose something (unless we're talking top-notch CG like Shreck or something like Gollum) of the "actor"'s personalities. I just don't think you can get an American audience to come back to an animated show again and again. And like I said, CG is getting cheaper all the time. OK, but I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Don't you have to have a serious animated series before you can have a strong, well-written female lead? There's nothing American about not having a strong, female lead (as you further state with examples like Aliens, Terminator, and mine, Alias). We just don't have serious animation. Hot female leads draw attention. Good stories maintain that attention. Or you can just go completely unsubtle, like Baywatch, and make the most successful show in the world. ;) I'm not sure if good story was the problem with those movies. Because I never saw them, I don't know what the stories are. I don't know anyone who went to see them to find out if there was a good story, either. They were simply victims of poor marketing. They may be wonderful movies - or horrible ones; I just don't know. And the trailers didn't make me want to find out. Not to mention, Elektra was a non-starter due to Ben Affleck's increasingly dull performances. Daredevil was just not that good (note, no mention of any kind of association between Daredevil and Elektra is made in the previews; but that doesn't fool the comic-book loving target audience). [/QUOTE]
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