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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 2043498" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>Yes, but you weren't the only one who was talking about shows <em>like</em> Kim Possible, and questioning the seriousness of the story. And I'm not sure what I said to imply that I thought KP was for boys...it's solidly for girls, and I thought that's what I said, pointing out how the show <em>de-emphasizes</em> much of the action in favor of the situational humor and relationship issues. It is, however, accessible to boys, which is true of any action-based show, regardless of which gender it's targeted at. Notice how W.I.T.C.H. and Kim Possible both have prominent but generally ineffectual male heroes. Like reanjr says, KP was made to give two of Disney's teen actors some work, to pull in young female viewers and to push some merchandise while they're at it, such as the KP cheerleader set, action figure collection and various show paraphenalia, such as t-shirts, backpacks and lunchboxes....some of which, my daughter has.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are two standards because generally, female characters end up wearing much less functional costumes than male characters do, in comics. Take a look, for example, at this George Perez picture of the <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://holtz.org/Library/Images/Consumer/Comics/avengers%25201981.jpg&imgrefurl=http://holtz.org/Library/Images/Consumer/Comics/&h=435&w=550&sz=141&tbnid=TfWNs9VO7AgJ:&tbnh=102&tbnw=129&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Davengers%2Bcomics%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">Avengers at 30</a>. Quick, other than Thor and Quasar, how many men have their arms completely uncovered? Now, how many female characters? Now, how many men have completely uncovered legs? None? How about the female characters? How many men have exposed chests? The Hulk? Now how many female characters have deep 'V' cut outfits, bikini tops or bustiers? Why is Crystal the only one wearing a jacket? And this is from an artist who treats women well, compared to some of the really bad hacks. The point is that women in comics, more than men, are more commonly objectified, and often shown wearing outfits that don't really make sense in the context of what they are doing. The reason, obviously, is the target audience, but I think it's a bit hard to swallow that there's no sexism at work there. If I had time, I'd link the 'Girlfriend in the Refrigerator' site, which shows the many, many unpleasant things that happen to the ladies foolish enough to be involved with male comic heroes (even if they're superheroes themselves).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 2043498, member: 151"] Yes, but you weren't the only one who was talking about shows [i]like[/i] Kim Possible, and questioning the seriousness of the story. And I'm not sure what I said to imply that I thought KP was for boys...it's solidly for girls, and I thought that's what I said, pointing out how the show [i]de-emphasizes[/i] much of the action in favor of the situational humor and relationship issues. It is, however, accessible to boys, which is true of any action-based show, regardless of which gender it's targeted at. Notice how W.I.T.C.H. and Kim Possible both have prominent but generally ineffectual male heroes. Like reanjr says, KP was made to give two of Disney's teen actors some work, to pull in young female viewers and to push some merchandise while they're at it, such as the KP cheerleader set, action figure collection and various show paraphenalia, such as t-shirts, backpacks and lunchboxes....some of which, my daughter has. There are two standards because generally, female characters end up wearing much less functional costumes than male characters do, in comics. Take a look, for example, at this George Perez picture of the [url="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://holtz.org/Library/Images/Consumer/Comics/avengers%25201981.jpg&imgrefurl=http://holtz.org/Library/Images/Consumer/Comics/&h=435&w=550&sz=141&tbnid=TfWNs9VO7AgJ:&tbnh=102&tbnw=129&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Davengers%2Bcomics%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN"]Avengers at 30[/url]. Quick, other than Thor and Quasar, how many men have their arms completely uncovered? Now, how many female characters? Now, how many men have completely uncovered legs? None? How about the female characters? How many men have exposed chests? The Hulk? Now how many female characters have deep 'V' cut outfits, bikini tops or bustiers? Why is Crystal the only one wearing a jacket? And this is from an artist who treats women well, compared to some of the really bad hacks. The point is that women in comics, more than men, are more commonly objectified, and often shown wearing outfits that don't really make sense in the context of what they are doing. The reason, obviously, is the target audience, but I think it's a bit hard to swallow that there's no sexism at work there. If I had time, I'd link the 'Girlfriend in the Refrigerator' site, which shows the many, many unpleasant things that happen to the ladies foolish enough to be involved with male comic heroes (even if they're superheroes themselves). [/QUOTE]
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